傳中芯國際悄悄出貨 7 奈米晶片,還將 - 工程師

By Poppy
at 2022-07-22T10:30
at 2022-07-22T10:30
Table of Contents
原文
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chipmaker-smics-7nm-process-is-reportedly-copied-from-tsmc-tech
縮:https://reurl.cc/V1pprZ
作者: Paul Alcorn
認真講… 完全沒想到他會被當文組記者
想必某些只會Dear Sir的人覺得Tom或Techlnsights是野雞報吧
這篇文章的來源是TechInsights
TechInsights對中芯出貨的SoC作逆向工程
發現跟TSMC的結構幾乎相同
這也符合TSMC一直起訴中芯從他們那邊偷技術的實證
而TIS也指出,雖然中芯已經有能力產出,但三星、TSMC還有I牌都在7奈米領先中芯2代以上(6-10年以上差距)
但重要的是,中國已經在生產7nm了
這還是在國際嚴重制裁,且限制EUV出口中國的情況
但中國還是用現有的米雕(X 殘破的老爺光刻(O 做出了7nm
而暴增的成本對中國來說不是問題
因為他的目的不是賺錢而是尋求晶片自主
文章也提到,根據TIS的逆向工程
中芯的7nm遠達不到7nm的水準(即耗電更小、產量4倍)
比較像10年前TSMC跟三星軍備時的文字遊戲
他們只是用7nm的水準做出14nm的效率
但參考中國自己2020宣傳已開發n+1
並近日成功n+2來說
至少中國自製的EDA已經有能力量產晶片(即使低良率甚至近乎0良率)
但能用DUV改造出可以做7nm的晶片已經震驚整個產業
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大概John
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chipmaker-smics-7nm-process-is-reportedly-copied-from-tsmc-tech
縮:https://reurl.cc/V1pprZ
作者: Paul Alcorn
認真講… 完全沒想到他會被當文組記者
想必某些只會Dear Sir的人覺得Tom或Techlnsights是野雞報吧
這篇文章的來源是TechInsights
TechInsights對中芯出貨的SoC作逆向工程
發現跟TSMC的結構幾乎相同
這也符合TSMC一直起訴中芯從他們那邊偷技術的實證
而TIS也指出,雖然中芯已經有能力產出,但三星、TSMC還有I牌都在7奈米領先中芯2代以上(6-10年以上差距)
但重要的是,中國已經在生產7nm了
這還是在國際嚴重制裁,且限制EUV出口中國的情況
但中國還是用現有的米雕(X 殘破的老爺光刻(O 做出了7nm
而暴增的成本對中國來說不是問題
因為他的目的不是賺錢而是尋求晶片自主
文章也提到,根據TIS的逆向工程
中芯的7nm遠達不到7nm的水準(即耗電更小、產量4倍)
比較像10年前TSMC跟三星軍備時的文字遊戲
他們只是用7nm的水準做出14nm的效率
但參考中國自己2020宣傳已開發n+1
並近日成功n+2來說
至少中國自製的EDA已經有能力量產晶片(即使低良率甚至近乎0良率)
但能用DUV改造出可以做7nm的晶片已經震驚整個產業
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大概John
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有什麼意義?精神勝利法一點意義都沒有阿,要碼真的
是把DUV禁了而且更新的parts也禁直接卡住,不然比起
嘲笑我以為要擔心@@

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有東西能用。至少就可以跟在後面,有機會再跟近一些
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層對產品做出來跟產品良率做出來,一直搞不清狀況
,不過都是在錢花了很多以後才在想,說實在蠻好賺
的

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中國的挖角,要嚴格管控,不能以自由市場競爭來看
待。

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,GG也曾在中國告過SMIC,還贏了。我相信還是很多人
再盯著GG看他這次要不要硬起來

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車要順暢,頂多在L3等級,再上去單晶片應該負荷不了

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用 ArFi

By Selena
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意味比較濃厚

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不然那種體系要怎麼玩,只好靠創意啊,最能體現的就
是他們各種被禁而衍生出的文字,如果中共以後被推翻
,肯定是會被寫出來的文化XDDD

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By Yuri
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還有資格叫7nm?

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是有很多奇怪的方法可以做出來,只是能不能用在量
產而已

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By Madame
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貴,以前90nm時代力晶南亞被三星打壓時平均一年要
賠兩三百億台幣,現在硬幹只會賠更多

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能燒多少錢,當它是米國能無限印鈔嗎

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台灣島只是OTHERS

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壯膽很會啦

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後只會越來越難追

By Robert
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也只花了幾年的時間
這麼有恃無恐啊XD,nvida從被看不起到超車3dfx,也只
花了幾年的時間

By Edith
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的實力不是來自實驗室,是商用後和客戶一起解決問
題累積出來的綜合實力,包含解決問題的能力,改善
良率的實力,和配合客戶達到一堆奇怪規格的能力,
你不商用說有實力,只能呵呵

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樣

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上...

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