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標題: [新聞] 大巨蛋停工 學者:柯P瞎掰找下台階
時間: Wed Apr 22 17:26:48 2015
http://udn.com/news/story/8012/853464
大巨蛋停工 學者:柯P瞎掰找下台階
2015-04-22 15:21:05 聯合晚報 記者邱瓊平/台北報導
大巨蛋與板南線結構示意圖資料來源:採訪整理 圖片:報系資料照
台北市長柯文哲表示大巨蛋若停工,捷運板南線有崩塌之虞,說法被土木系學者質疑
。交通大學土木系副教授單信瑜在臉書發文反諷,感謝柯市長,雖然是學醫學的但是看來
對於大地工程也相當有概念。而且對於高等土壤力學、深開挖與擋土都有精確的理解,「
但有可能是瞎掰鬼扯,幫自己找台階下。」
單信瑜指出,現在大巨蛋是在地下開挖階段,只差2公尺就到預定的開挖面底部(地表下
22.6公尺),旁邊的板南線深度為16到18公尺。如果大巨蛋基地的土壤狀況和台北101差不
多,開挖深度範圍內可能是黏土。
單信瑜指出,捷運施工時為了保護建物和便利施工,有做地盤改良,土壤強度應該很高,
否則潛盾機無法在軟弱土層施工。如果這段剛好是站體,就更不會有問題。停工不會影響
捷運安全。」他上午發文,建議柯文哲「儘管停工、放心拆蛋」。
單信瑜分析,如果大巨蛋基地的土壤狀況和台北101差不多,那可能在開挖深度範圍內是
黏土。如果開挖時沒有抽水,那麼停工的影響是:因為在開挖期間大巨蛋周圍和下方土壤
因為開挖解壓,導致黏土解壓、有效應力降低,黏土膨脹,不排水剪力強度也會隨時間降
低。如果支撐系統設計時沒有考慮周延(以未解壓的不排水剪力強度設計)且安全係數保
留餘裕不足,有可能導致擋土設施的變形超過預期、甚至於可能破壞,連帶導致捷運隧道
位移與變形。
但如果捷運當時施工有地盤改良,問題就不大;他猜應該是做了地盤改良的。畢竟這邊土
質鬆軟,為了保護建物和便利施工,做了地盤改良,土壤強度應該很高了。否則潛盾機無
法在軟弱土層施工。如果這段剛好是站體,就更不會有問題。整個看來,停工不會影響捷
運安全。
單信瑜說,因為不知道擋土設施的形式和深度,不知道確實的地下水狀況,所以大概只能
這樣推測。「很感謝有個把專業當兒戲踐踏的台北市政府,讓我有這麼多地方可以思考。
」
台灣大學土木工程學系教授陳振川則表示,大巨蛋從設計、興建到審查,都需符合法令規
定,大巨蛋安全問題應回歸專業討論,社會不能用民粹方式談事情,也不可沒有實際了解
,就任意表達意見。
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標題: [新聞] 大巨蛋停工 學者:柯P瞎掰找下台階
時間: Wed Apr 22 17:26:48 2015
http://udn.com/news/story/8012/853464
大巨蛋停工 學者:柯P瞎掰找下台階
2015-04-22 15:21:05 聯合晚報 記者邱瓊平/台北報導
大巨蛋與板南線結構示意圖資料來源:採訪整理 圖片:報系資料照
台北市長柯文哲表示大巨蛋若停工,捷運板南線有崩塌之虞,說法被土木系學者質疑
。交通大學土木系副教授單信瑜在臉書發文反諷,感謝柯市長,雖然是學醫學的但是看來
對於大地工程也相當有概念。而且對於高等土壤力學、深開挖與擋土都有精確的理解,「
但有可能是瞎掰鬼扯,幫自己找台階下。」
單信瑜指出,現在大巨蛋是在地下開挖階段,只差2公尺就到預定的開挖面底部(地表下
22.6公尺),旁邊的板南線深度為16到18公尺。如果大巨蛋基地的土壤狀況和台北101差不
多,開挖深度範圍內可能是黏土。
單信瑜指出,捷運施工時為了保護建物和便利施工,有做地盤改良,土壤強度應該很高,
否則潛盾機無法在軟弱土層施工。如果這段剛好是站體,就更不會有問題。停工不會影響
捷運安全。」他上午發文,建議柯文哲「儘管停工、放心拆蛋」。
單信瑜分析,如果大巨蛋基地的土壤狀況和台北101差不多,那可能在開挖深度範圍內是
黏土。如果開挖時沒有抽水,那麼停工的影響是:因為在開挖期間大巨蛋周圍和下方土壤
因為開挖解壓,導致黏土解壓、有效應力降低,黏土膨脹,不排水剪力強度也會隨時間降
低。如果支撐系統設計時沒有考慮周延(以未解壓的不排水剪力強度設計)且安全係數保
留餘裕不足,有可能導致擋土設施的變形超過預期、甚至於可能破壞,連帶導致捷運隧道
位移與變形。
但如果捷運當時施工有地盤改良,問題就不大;他猜應該是做了地盤改良的。畢竟這邊土
質鬆軟,為了保護建物和便利施工,做了地盤改良,土壤強度應該很高了。否則潛盾機無
法在軟弱土層施工。如果這段剛好是站體,就更不會有問題。整個看來,停工不會影響捷
運安全。
單信瑜說,因為不知道擋土設施的形式和深度,不知道確實的地下水狀況,所以大概只能
這樣推測。「很感謝有個把專業當兒戲踐踏的台北市政府,讓我有這麼多地方可以思考。
」
台灣大學土木工程學系教授陳振川則表示,大巨蛋從設計、興建到審查,都需符合法令規
定,大巨蛋安全問題應回歸專業討論,社會不能用民粹方式談事情,也不可沒有實際了解
,就任意表達意見。
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