實習期間沒學到什麼的話 - 律師工作討論

By Yuri
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※ 引述《csiace (CSI)》之銘言:
: 在這樣的情況下,你期待老闆教你甚麼?
: 寫狀?這東西要人家怎麼教嗎?教格式?還是涵攝?
: 涵攝怎麼射國家考試不都練到爛了?
: 格式就你喜歡、便利閱讀就是最好的格式,
: 對自己有信心吧,現在社會氛圍很奇怪,讓年輕人對自己很沒自信,
: 以前那個年代實習完就自己出來開了呀(遠目)
老實說,我不知道為什麼你會有這種錯覺
以為寫書狀就只是格式和函攝的問題?
不牽涉到攻擊防禦的策略性問題?
你為對手都只是木樁
看著你依照法條規定推理函攝
他不會想辦法迴避你設下的陷阱,並提出反擊??
舉例而言
當你主張承攬工作物完成 要求給付承攬報酬時
對方不會拿出同時履行抗辯要求你先提供保固保證書來卡你?
這時候你要怎麼解決?
又如公司已依職業災害之相關規定給付員工職業災害期間薪資
員工復向勞保局申請職業災害補償
你依民法不當得利之規定向員工求償
員工就會乖乖地把錢給你
不會找各種理由抗辯?
整個訴訟過程就是動態的棋局流程
你下一步 對方跟著下一步
除非走到最後的死局
否則是不會分出勝負
這就是經驗的累積
真正高明的律師 不會在一開始就秀出他所有的底牌
反而會用其他不相干的論點來干擾你的攻擊防禦
等到你被誘入陷阱之後
他再使出最後的殺手金間
殺得你措手不及無力反擊
這才是真正的眉角所在
不是你在考試裡面對的一個死木樁
不會有任何反擊的對手
你以為把你所知道的事實
依據各種可能的請求權基礎臚列出來
呈報給法官
你的官司就會贏了嗎?
那這樣電腦就會分析案情寫訴狀啦!
還需要律師幹什麼?
我看過太多的例子
一些少年得志的律師在法庭侃侃而談
把他所知道的法律條文一一背出
結果對造完全不照其主張的內容進行攻擊防禦
反而另闢蹊徑 迴避他的主張
整個訴訟主導權被對造奪去
最後只能順著對方的攻擊防禦方法處處挨打
導致敗訴的例子
這難道因為他不懂法律?不懂函攝?不懂格式而敗訴嗎?
不!絕對不是!
相反的就是因為他太懂法律卻不知變通
只會照著死板板的路子走
而對方卻搞出一些旁門走道來卡死你
讓你的法律主張在法庭上無法實現
只能處處挨打而無力反擊
這才是真實的人生
一個不擇手段 非拚個你死我活的擂台競技場
你永遠不知道你的對手會使出什麼樣的賤招來阻擋你的攻擊防禦方法
如果你還是只會使用課堂上的答題方式來解決問題
而不去思考 為什麼人家不這樣主張
到底他有什麼策略性的考量?
是你沒有想到的?
那我只能說
你不適合從事律師這個行業
很快就會被市場淘汰了
--
: 在這樣的情況下,你期待老闆教你甚麼?
: 寫狀?這東西要人家怎麼教嗎?教格式?還是涵攝?
: 涵攝怎麼射國家考試不都練到爛了?
: 格式就你喜歡、便利閱讀就是最好的格式,
: 對自己有信心吧,現在社會氛圍很奇怪,讓年輕人對自己很沒自信,
: 以前那個年代實習完就自己出來開了呀(遠目)
老實說,我不知道為什麼你會有這種錯覺
以為寫書狀就只是格式和函攝的問題?
不牽涉到攻擊防禦的策略性問題?
你為對手都只是木樁
看著你依照法條規定推理函攝
他不會想辦法迴避你設下的陷阱,並提出反擊??
舉例而言
當你主張承攬工作物完成 要求給付承攬報酬時
對方不會拿出同時履行抗辯要求你先提供保固保證書來卡你?
這時候你要怎麼解決?
又如公司已依職業災害之相關規定給付員工職業災害期間薪資
員工復向勞保局申請職業災害補償
你依民法不當得利之規定向員工求償
員工就會乖乖地把錢給你
不會找各種理由抗辯?
整個訴訟過程就是動態的棋局流程
你下一步 對方跟著下一步
除非走到最後的死局
否則是不會分出勝負
這就是經驗的累積
真正高明的律師 不會在一開始就秀出他所有的底牌
反而會用其他不相干的論點來干擾你的攻擊防禦
等到你被誘入陷阱之後
他再使出最後的殺手金間
殺得你措手不及無力反擊
這才是真正的眉角所在
不是你在考試裡面對的一個死木樁
不會有任何反擊的對手
你以為把你所知道的事實
依據各種可能的請求權基礎臚列出來
呈報給法官
你的官司就會贏了嗎?
那這樣電腦就會分析案情寫訴狀啦!
還需要律師幹什麼?
我看過太多的例子
一些少年得志的律師在法庭侃侃而談
把他所知道的法律條文一一背出
結果對造完全不照其主張的內容進行攻擊防禦
反而另闢蹊徑 迴避他的主張
整個訴訟主導權被對造奪去
最後只能順著對方的攻擊防禦方法處處挨打
導致敗訴的例子
這難道因為他不懂法律?不懂函攝?不懂格式而敗訴嗎?
不!絕對不是!
相反的就是因為他太懂法律卻不知變通
只會照著死板板的路子走
而對方卻搞出一些旁門走道來卡死你
讓你的法律主張在法庭上無法實現
只能處處挨打而無力反擊
這才是真實的人生
一個不擇手段 非拚個你死我活的擂台競技場
你永遠不知道你的對手會使出什麼樣的賤招來阻擋你的攻擊防禦方法
如果你還是只會使用課堂上的答題方式來解決問題
而不去思考 為什麼人家不這樣主張
到底他有什麼策略性的考量?
是你沒有想到的?
那我只能說
你不適合從事律師這個行業
很快就會被市場淘汰了
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