系統廠最近是不是超級慘? - 工程師

By Rae
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※ 引述《dilson (中肯的話通常不好聽懂嗎)》之銘言:
: 系統廠本來就很慘
: 大家可以看看網友分享的文章
: 十年半導體公司(IC design?)經驗年薪300萬~400萬
: 但是十年系統廠經驗大約是140萬。。。
: 足足差兩倍!!
: 所以強的人不去系統廠 導致有些系統廠都收後段科大的學生
: 素質與做事方法都怪怪的。。。
: 偏偏過幾年這些怪人當主管, 被他們帶真是倒楣!!
原本打長文分享,系統廠薪資與文化的,
後來斷線沒發到文,可惜。重打簡單版本。
這篇主要給年輕人看的。
你未來會成為什麼樣的老人。
1.首先可觀察一下公司的副理,經理,大概是什麼年齡與資歷的。就知道自己什麼時後可以到達了。
2.副理薪資:
我知道這兩年很多人拿到破200萬。
但是副理月薪不到10萬,才是常態。
沒有疫情與政治影響,升到副理年薪大概160萬上下。以上已經加上管理加給了。
3.經理年薪:
經理,系統廠的月薪大概是10-14 萬。
大概都是接近10萬。不過我自己曾經拿過13,14萬的offer。
經理的年薪,真正有差異的是在年終,
而且看考績不準確。
通常經理即使考績差,也會比考績好的副理,資深工程師還多。
年薪的話,我知道這兩年很多人會破250,但這不是常態。一般情況下,年薪大概在200萬,就算不錯了。
4.副理,經理的工作:
一句話總結:開會,叫人聽話做事。沒了。
開會文化真的誇張到不行。有的技術經理的工作還是:專門通知人開會,專門發會議紀錄,沒了,一整年就這樣。
這導致很多副理,經理,混久了,什麼都不會,只會叫人做事。
4.文化:
要能在系統廠穩定升遷,在副理,經理,處長…持續升。關鍵就是:聽話。
即使你發現,主管說的根本是錯了,方向也是錯的。乖乖把錯的事情做下去,讓專案爛掉,然後最後出來承擔失敗結果,你反而容易升。
你發現主管這樣做是錯的,成本高,技術落後10年,品質差,來料成本太高,結果你說不能做,不能採用。那麼錯的就是你。你的價值觀與系統廠文化不同。
所以那些想要改善開會效率,工作效率,提倡準時下班的主管,都走了。留下來的都是聽話文化的人。
這就是為什麼你們覺得主管很爛,還能當經理,處長。做事對錯,又不是重點。不管對錯,聽話做事才是升官發財重點。
那麼爛喔,那麼為什麼我們用的筆電與手機都好好的。這是製造工人,產線工程師,與機械的標準產出與努力,與系統廠管理文化無關好嗎。
一堆人坐辦公室開會,聊天,與你手機筆電好不好用又無關。
最後系統廠也不是毫無優點。
真正會混的人,可能一天工作不到4小時,或頭腦放空8小時,靠聽話就能年薪破200,不香嗎。很適合不缺錢,身平無大志的人吧。
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: 系統廠本來就很慘
: 大家可以看看網友分享的文章
: 十年半導體公司(IC design?)經驗年薪300萬~400萬
: 但是十年系統廠經驗大約是140萬。。。
: 足足差兩倍!!
: 所以強的人不去系統廠 導致有些系統廠都收後段科大的學生
: 素質與做事方法都怪怪的。。。
: 偏偏過幾年這些怪人當主管, 被他們帶真是倒楣!!
原本打長文分享,系統廠薪資與文化的,
後來斷線沒發到文,可惜。重打簡單版本。
這篇主要給年輕人看的。
你未來會成為什麼樣的老人。
1.首先可觀察一下公司的副理,經理,大概是什麼年齡與資歷的。就知道自己什麼時後可以到達了。
2.副理薪資:
我知道這兩年很多人拿到破200萬。
但是副理月薪不到10萬,才是常態。
沒有疫情與政治影響,升到副理年薪大概160萬上下。以上已經加上管理加給了。
3.經理年薪:
經理,系統廠的月薪大概是10-14 萬。
大概都是接近10萬。不過我自己曾經拿過13,14萬的offer。
經理的年薪,真正有差異的是在年終,
而且看考績不準確。
通常經理即使考績差,也會比考績好的副理,資深工程師還多。
年薪的話,我知道這兩年很多人會破250,但這不是常態。一般情況下,年薪大概在200萬,就算不錯了。
4.副理,經理的工作:
一句話總結:開會,叫人聽話做事。沒了。
開會文化真的誇張到不行。有的技術經理的工作還是:專門通知人開會,專門發會議紀錄,沒了,一整年就這樣。
這導致很多副理,經理,混久了,什麼都不會,只會叫人做事。
4.文化:
要能在系統廠穩定升遷,在副理,經理,處長…持續升。關鍵就是:聽話。
即使你發現,主管說的根本是錯了,方向也是錯的。乖乖把錯的事情做下去,讓專案爛掉,然後最後出來承擔失敗結果,你反而容易升。
你發現主管這樣做是錯的,成本高,技術落後10年,品質差,來料成本太高,結果你說不能做,不能採用。那麼錯的就是你。你的價值觀與系統廠文化不同。
所以那些想要改善開會效率,工作效率,提倡準時下班的主管,都走了。留下來的都是聽話文化的人。
這就是為什麼你們覺得主管很爛,還能當經理,處長。做事對錯,又不是重點。不管對錯,聽話做事才是升官發財重點。
那麼爛喔,那麼為什麼我們用的筆電與手機都好好的。這是製造工人,產線工程師,與機械的標準產出與努力,與系統廠管理文化無關好嗎。
一堆人坐辦公室開會,聊天,與你手機筆電好不好用又無關。
最後系統廠也不是毫無優點。
真正會混的人,可能一天工作不到4小時,或頭腦放空8小時,靠聽話就能年薪破200,不香嗎。很適合不缺錢,身平無大志的人吧。
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