GG設備相關經驗談 - 工程師
By Adele
at 2021-11-18T20:32
at 2021-11-18T20:32
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分享一下我在GG設備工程師 (EE) 的生活經驗談,以下內容為大部分人會遇到的問題
,把我想到的分享給各位想進GG設備的人當作參考:
1.設備門檻
至少要是理工背景出生,在裡面任何學校背景都有看過,從四大碩士一直到私大學士都
有例子,所以門檻很低
2.設備工時 (平均12HR)
日班 (8:30-17:30):工作內容最雜,什麼事情都得做,一定會加班的,平均下班時間落
在20:00-21:00,運氣不好一點做超過22:00,不過算少數,最扯有看過做超過00:00
小夜班 (15:30-00:30):工作內容最主要為值班,平均下班時間落在2:00-3:00,正常狀
態下約17:30交接,交接結束後值班到大夜來接班,就能收工,好處是工時短
大夜班 (一到五 00:00-9:00) (六日 20:30-8:30) : 工作內容最主要為值班,平均下班
時間落在10:00-11:00,和小夜的工作差不多,不過早上得面對老闆交接機況,壓力相對
會比較大
PS:以上工時超過皆可報加班
3.設備輪班頻率 (理想狀況1個月輪一次)
一個月內約會有10-12天為日班,5天小夜班,5-6天為大夜班,意思就是一個月內必需經
歷 3 種作息,通常大約20-30天就會遇到一輪大夜,這還必需視人力的調度,最差狀況
有看過2週就輪一次 (通常會發生在頻繁走人的課別上)
4.工作內容 (原則上做的事情不會讓你學到專業技能,只限繼續作設備才有用)
(1) PM (機台例行性保養) : 通常是助工做
(2) 線上值班 (機況維護、即時性 Alarm 處理)
(3) Trouble shooting (修機)
(4) 新機台裝機
(5) Offline job (料/帳務、Alarm、FDC、6S、PMS.....Sponsor)
5.線上值班
通常新人三個月開始拿手機線上值班的時候,就是開始浮現離職念頭的開始,值班手機
會接收各種機台不同的 Alarm 訊息,包括:FDC alarm / Tool alarm ...,然後還會有
製程(PE)、製造部(MFG)、Leader、Boss,來電來詢問各種機況,機台什麼時候可以交回
等等各種問題,另外,還有機況交接需要編輯,幾乎沒時間讓你好好喘息,線上值班當
有現場機台 Alarm 需要確認,就必需進入 FAB;原則上現在機台遠端都能操作,運氣好
的情況下,是可以坐在外面值班的,基本上以新廠的值班loading,你有可能會走不進
FAB 裡面,如果在日班可以打給裡面的人尋求支援,新人建議進去裡面學習,當然通常
這也很看裡面的學長要不要幫你,通常不會幫或者會被靠北的,團隊氣氛不會太好,
當然以新人的角度也要看你的求知慾到哪,會影響你後面獨立值班上線的速度,值班基
本上偏硬,有可能運氣不好你必需走進FAB裡,手機 Alarm 要一直送,還需要接老闆的
電話,不過這些基本上都是熟練度,值班多次了速度都會變快,反應也會變好,什麼東
西重要,什麼可以不管,有些人反而會喜歡值班,有些人寧願不要值班被手機煩
6.待遇 (錢相對多外面多)
第一年:約 100-120 W
第二年:約 130-150 W
第三年:約 180-200 W
第三年後考績不要太差 200W 應該會是基本盤
以上數字會根據你的輪班/加班/分紅有所不一樣
PS:研替新人 或 前段國立大學新人會有2個月左右的簽約金 (時效為1年)
7.交接 (靠北久)
最主要就是把機況報告給老闆聽,早上 (8:30-10:00) / 晚上 (17:30-18:30)
(18:30-20:00) (20:00-22:00),晚上交接有看過這三種時間,所以一天交接時間平均約
花2-3小時
機況交接結束後,會有一些KPI需要review 或是各種宣導,接著leader會派工指定每個
人當日的工作內容
Q1:為什那麼晚交接 ? 通常會因為在等老闆或leader到才能開始,不過每個課的模式不一
樣,聯絡的上老闆,通常會知會先開始或是等他一下
Q2:為什交接那麼久 ? 通常會是老闆或leader有重要問題開始review停下來討論的時間
& 機台數量多(尤其在新廠),交接出來的機況通常都有一定的數量
8.吃飯 (三餐不正常)
關於吃午餐這件事,設備不太可能12:00在跟人家排隊要刷餐,平均開始吃飯時間約落在
13:30-14:00,有看過完全忙整天沒時間吃的,沒有人會叫你不吃,不過常常值班需要接
電話,或是老闆打來催進度,都會讓你真的沒辦法好好吃飯,
結論是,不太會有時間讓你坐下來好好吃個飯睡個午覺,做事情之前吃飽一點!
9.午休 (不太有時間讓你好好休息)
正常午休時間落在12:00-14:00,意思是在這段時間坐在位子上休息,不會有人靠北你,
如果不是這段時間,就自己在餐廳休息,有聽過學長說做設備不要坐在位子上睡覺,會
讓人覺得你過太爽?
也有看過很多leader 中午都會睡覺,有的老闆大概13:30會把所有人叫起床,所以可以
觀察到幾乎沒有人會在位子上休息,如果忙到15:00才出FAB要午休,自己想辦法在餐廳
休息一下
PS:不管在哪家設備,都不能坐在位子上太久,除非你是leader或是有重要任務要做,不
然一定會被靠北過太爽!
10.派工
小/大夜班比較單純一點,就是值班,顧好線上機況和值班手機,不過也有看過大夜班
邊值班還有做offline job的日班事情就比較雜,除了值班人員以外,會有線上的
Trouble shooting / 裝機 / Offline Job,平均收工下班時間幾乎落在21:00
11.未來工作發展性 (發展性偏低)
(1)設備相關
a.設備代理商:年薪打7-8折,通常第一關基本要求是英文能力,所以有想要轉換到設備商
務必先把英文準備好,錄取機會大增
b.其它晶圓廠設備:年薪打5-6折,可以當作是去休息,loading 相對會好一些,不過不是
絕對,有可能一樣賽
PS:假設學經歷為非電子電機相關,很大機率就是繼續做設備相關,轉換性質不太容易
(2)非設備相關
a.FAB 端 (製程 / 製程整合 / 產品):前2項會比較有機會
b.系統廠:年薪打5-6折,自由度會比待在晶圓廠好很多,工時和loading部分不一定,很
看你待什麼單位
c.IC設計:年薪高於GG,不過轉換成功機率極低,除非有相關技能才進得去
PS:假設學經歷為電子電機相關,要脫離設備越快越好,最好別待超過一年,有機會轉成
功,不過也是要靠一些機運
12.關於JOS (很難)
a.主動轉:通常成功機率極低,有看過轉換成功地也算少數,尤其是要轉換性值
(Ex:PE=>YED),通常女生轉換成功的機率偏高;有看過同事JOS失敗的例子,自己看好部
門與對方老闆談OK,結果被自己老闆打槍,後來被迫指定要去的部門
b.被動轉:這邊只的就是轉去新廠,當你被老闆選上時,幾乎等於被迫要轉換去新廠,只
要你沒拒絕,成功機率百分百,因為沒有人會想要去新廠,通常會有一些相關補助 (約2
年而已),一年多個20-30萬
13.新廠能去嗎?
以個人看到的經驗,新廠的離職率頗高,每年暑假都走一堆人,
給各位良心建議:奈米數越小、廠別數字越大的廠,建議不要去,不過有傳言老廠也沒
好到哪去,只能說對大部分人而言,GG只有操和非常操2種選項
14.離職的時機點
2月或8月為離職高峰潮,在此建議不想做超過3年以上就趕快走了,因為在裡面學到的
技能出來完全不能用,你能學到的設備技能只能去設備相關才派得上用場,
待越久說實在不是一件好事情,會非常難轉換跑道,被這份工作定型,出去也不知道去哪
裡比較好
15.新人離職率
以現成例子3年內設備看到的離職率約 60-70% (自己看到的非絕對),通常最多做個一
年就跑了,當然也是有人做得很開心待得住,每個人能接受的工作環境本來就不一樣
16.離職原因
通常去跟老闆講這一步都會考慮老半天,重點是要擺明要走的決心,不管別人說什麼
都不能動搖,講實話講真話都好,管它那麼多,講都會說現在非常缺人,拜託你留下
來,有可能有專職負責的 Sponsor,沒有你不行,別傻了,沒有你就做不了的事情,
更值得大家檢討,為什麼沒有你就不行?這麼大一家公司如果還常常再喊缺人,這是他
們要解決的問題,為什麼會常走人甚至招不到人來,值得大家來討論反省,所以,如
果要離職務必下定決心,好聚好散,只有你的前途才是真的!
17.幾年後有機會不用輪班 ?
通常10年內幾乎都是要輪夜班的,除非升到33才不用輪班
18.FAB工作特性
需要久站、不能整天坐在辦公室、一天穿無塵衣6-8小時不等
優點:實在想不到,比較自由吧,躲在FAB裡很難有人找到你
缺點:水喝的少、容易憋尿,長期身體容易有慢性病
19.四大 MODULE 操度
普遍認為操度:蝕刻>黃光>擴散>薄膜
不過在 GG 裡我不認為有爽的,還會跟你的老闆是誰有很大的關係,所以以上比較也
不是絕對!
20.MAE在衝啥小 會分擔輪班loading?
簡單來說 AE 原本的工作就是只負責 PM,17:30-19:00有機會可以下班 (越新的廠會越
晚)MAE 就是必須要輪大夜班擔任值班的角色,初期目標為分擔 EE 輪值夜班的頻率,
最終目標大夜全部給 MAE 值班 (18A/B 廠有再執行)
就我所知道的,裡面的 AE 大部分人都不想輪班的,AE 會自我定義工作事情就是把 PM
做好,不太能加班目前已經出現 MAE 人力短缺的狀態,該公司開始往更後段大學去招
募人才個人認為 MAE 能有效分擔 EE 輪班的頻率,一直到 EE 完全不用輪班,機率非
常低,有種可能是提高 MAE 的待遇才有辦法去吸引人進來,不然白癡才來做 MAE,領
的錢只有工程師的一半,要做跟工程師一樣的事情.....
21.什麼樣的人適合做 GG 設備
(1) 缺錢
(2) 對修機有興趣
(3) 白天睡得著 (需輪夜班)
(4) 願意捨棄和家庭相處的時間,犧牲自己的生活品質
22.做完 GG 設備離職後的個人心得
(1) GG 只有操和非常操兩個選項,沒有爽的,通常氣氛好的課別加上老闆人也不錯,新
人才有機會待得住
(2) 待遇部分相對好很多,不過請記住一點,沒有錢多又讓你爽的,會給你這麼高的待遇
,通常會要你 100% 的時間和精力貢獻給公司
(3) 在產線的工作內容真的完全學不到專業技能,出來找工作不走產線相關非常難找工作
,能學到的大概就是怎麼做人,良心建議,真的不幸進去了,不想做就趕快出來
以上為個人的 GG 設備經驗談,有任何問題歡迎留言or站內信,謝謝收看!
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,把我想到的分享給各位想進GG設備的人當作參考:
1.設備門檻
至少要是理工背景出生,在裡面任何學校背景都有看過,從四大碩士一直到私大學士都
有例子,所以門檻很低
2.設備工時 (平均12HR)
日班 (8:30-17:30):工作內容最雜,什麼事情都得做,一定會加班的,平均下班時間落
在20:00-21:00,運氣不好一點做超過22:00,不過算少數,最扯有看過做超過00:00
小夜班 (15:30-00:30):工作內容最主要為值班,平均下班時間落在2:00-3:00,正常狀
態下約17:30交接,交接結束後值班到大夜來接班,就能收工,好處是工時短
大夜班 (一到五 00:00-9:00) (六日 20:30-8:30) : 工作內容最主要為值班,平均下班
時間落在10:00-11:00,和小夜的工作差不多,不過早上得面對老闆交接機況,壓力相對
會比較大
PS:以上工時超過皆可報加班
3.設備輪班頻率 (理想狀況1個月輪一次)
一個月內約會有10-12天為日班,5天小夜班,5-6天為大夜班,意思就是一個月內必需經
歷 3 種作息,通常大約20-30天就會遇到一輪大夜,這還必需視人力的調度,最差狀況
有看過2週就輪一次 (通常會發生在頻繁走人的課別上)
4.工作內容 (原則上做的事情不會讓你學到專業技能,只限繼續作設備才有用)
(1) PM (機台例行性保養) : 通常是助工做
(2) 線上值班 (機況維護、即時性 Alarm 處理)
(3) Trouble shooting (修機)
(4) 新機台裝機
(5) Offline job (料/帳務、Alarm、FDC、6S、PMS.....Sponsor)
5.線上值班
通常新人三個月開始拿手機線上值班的時候,就是開始浮現離職念頭的開始,值班手機
會接收各種機台不同的 Alarm 訊息,包括:FDC alarm / Tool alarm ...,然後還會有
製程(PE)、製造部(MFG)、Leader、Boss,來電來詢問各種機況,機台什麼時候可以交回
等等各種問題,另外,還有機況交接需要編輯,幾乎沒時間讓你好好喘息,線上值班當
有現場機台 Alarm 需要確認,就必需進入 FAB;原則上現在機台遠端都能操作,運氣好
的情況下,是可以坐在外面值班的,基本上以新廠的值班loading,你有可能會走不進
FAB 裡面,如果在日班可以打給裡面的人尋求支援,新人建議進去裡面學習,當然通常
這也很看裡面的學長要不要幫你,通常不會幫或者會被靠北的,團隊氣氛不會太好,
當然以新人的角度也要看你的求知慾到哪,會影響你後面獨立值班上線的速度,值班基
本上偏硬,有可能運氣不好你必需走進FAB裡,手機 Alarm 要一直送,還需要接老闆的
電話,不過這些基本上都是熟練度,值班多次了速度都會變快,反應也會變好,什麼東
西重要,什麼可以不管,有些人反而會喜歡值班,有些人寧願不要值班被手機煩
6.待遇 (錢相對多外面多)
第一年:約 100-120 W
第二年:約 130-150 W
第三年:約 180-200 W
第三年後考績不要太差 200W 應該會是基本盤
以上數字會根據你的輪班/加班/分紅有所不一樣
PS:研替新人 或 前段國立大學新人會有2個月左右的簽約金 (時效為1年)
7.交接 (靠北久)
最主要就是把機況報告給老闆聽,早上 (8:30-10:00) / 晚上 (17:30-18:30)
(18:30-20:00) (20:00-22:00),晚上交接有看過這三種時間,所以一天交接時間平均約
花2-3小時
機況交接結束後,會有一些KPI需要review 或是各種宣導,接著leader會派工指定每個
人當日的工作內容
Q1:為什那麼晚交接 ? 通常會因為在等老闆或leader到才能開始,不過每個課的模式不一
樣,聯絡的上老闆,通常會知會先開始或是等他一下
Q2:為什交接那麼久 ? 通常會是老闆或leader有重要問題開始review停下來討論的時間
& 機台數量多(尤其在新廠),交接出來的機況通常都有一定的數量
8.吃飯 (三餐不正常)
關於吃午餐這件事,設備不太可能12:00在跟人家排隊要刷餐,平均開始吃飯時間約落在
13:30-14:00,有看過完全忙整天沒時間吃的,沒有人會叫你不吃,不過常常值班需要接
電話,或是老闆打來催進度,都會讓你真的沒辦法好好吃飯,
結論是,不太會有時間讓你坐下來好好吃個飯睡個午覺,做事情之前吃飽一點!
9.午休 (不太有時間讓你好好休息)
正常午休時間落在12:00-14:00,意思是在這段時間坐在位子上休息,不會有人靠北你,
如果不是這段時間,就自己在餐廳休息,有聽過學長說做設備不要坐在位子上睡覺,會
讓人覺得你過太爽?
也有看過很多leader 中午都會睡覺,有的老闆大概13:30會把所有人叫起床,所以可以
觀察到幾乎沒有人會在位子上休息,如果忙到15:00才出FAB要午休,自己想辦法在餐廳
休息一下
PS:不管在哪家設備,都不能坐在位子上太久,除非你是leader或是有重要任務要做,不
然一定會被靠北過太爽!
10.派工
小/大夜班比較單純一點,就是值班,顧好線上機況和值班手機,不過也有看過大夜班
邊值班還有做offline job的日班事情就比較雜,除了值班人員以外,會有線上的
Trouble shooting / 裝機 / Offline Job,平均收工下班時間幾乎落在21:00
11.未來工作發展性 (發展性偏低)
(1)設備相關
a.設備代理商:年薪打7-8折,通常第一關基本要求是英文能力,所以有想要轉換到設備商
務必先把英文準備好,錄取機會大增
b.其它晶圓廠設備:年薪打5-6折,可以當作是去休息,loading 相對會好一些,不過不是
絕對,有可能一樣賽
PS:假設學經歷為非電子電機相關,很大機率就是繼續做設備相關,轉換性質不太容易
(2)非設備相關
a.FAB 端 (製程 / 製程整合 / 產品):前2項會比較有機會
b.系統廠:年薪打5-6折,自由度會比待在晶圓廠好很多,工時和loading部分不一定,很
看你待什麼單位
c.IC設計:年薪高於GG,不過轉換成功機率極低,除非有相關技能才進得去
PS:假設學經歷為電子電機相關,要脫離設備越快越好,最好別待超過一年,有機會轉成
功,不過也是要靠一些機運
12.關於JOS (很難)
a.主動轉:通常成功機率極低,有看過轉換成功地也算少數,尤其是要轉換性值
(Ex:PE=>YED),通常女生轉換成功的機率偏高;有看過同事JOS失敗的例子,自己看好部
門與對方老闆談OK,結果被自己老闆打槍,後來被迫指定要去的部門
b.被動轉:這邊只的就是轉去新廠,當你被老闆選上時,幾乎等於被迫要轉換去新廠,只
要你沒拒絕,成功機率百分百,因為沒有人會想要去新廠,通常會有一些相關補助 (約2
年而已),一年多個20-30萬
13.新廠能去嗎?
以個人看到的經驗,新廠的離職率頗高,每年暑假都走一堆人,
給各位良心建議:奈米數越小、廠別數字越大的廠,建議不要去,不過有傳言老廠也沒
好到哪去,只能說對大部分人而言,GG只有操和非常操2種選項
14.離職的時機點
2月或8月為離職高峰潮,在此建議不想做超過3年以上就趕快走了,因為在裡面學到的
技能出來完全不能用,你能學到的設備技能只能去設備相關才派得上用場,
待越久說實在不是一件好事情,會非常難轉換跑道,被這份工作定型,出去也不知道去哪
裡比較好
15.新人離職率
以現成例子3年內設備看到的離職率約 60-70% (自己看到的非絕對),通常最多做個一
年就跑了,當然也是有人做得很開心待得住,每個人能接受的工作環境本來就不一樣
16.離職原因
通常去跟老闆講這一步都會考慮老半天,重點是要擺明要走的決心,不管別人說什麼
都不能動搖,講實話講真話都好,管它那麼多,講都會說現在非常缺人,拜託你留下
來,有可能有專職負責的 Sponsor,沒有你不行,別傻了,沒有你就做不了的事情,
更值得大家檢討,為什麼沒有你就不行?這麼大一家公司如果還常常再喊缺人,這是他
們要解決的問題,為什麼會常走人甚至招不到人來,值得大家來討論反省,所以,如
果要離職務必下定決心,好聚好散,只有你的前途才是真的!
17.幾年後有機會不用輪班 ?
通常10年內幾乎都是要輪夜班的,除非升到33才不用輪班
18.FAB工作特性
需要久站、不能整天坐在辦公室、一天穿無塵衣6-8小時不等
優點:實在想不到,比較自由吧,躲在FAB裡很難有人找到你
缺點:水喝的少、容易憋尿,長期身體容易有慢性病
19.四大 MODULE 操度
普遍認為操度:蝕刻>黃光>擴散>薄膜
不過在 GG 裡我不認為有爽的,還會跟你的老闆是誰有很大的關係,所以以上比較也
不是絕對!
20.MAE在衝啥小 會分擔輪班loading?
簡單來說 AE 原本的工作就是只負責 PM,17:30-19:00有機會可以下班 (越新的廠會越
晚)MAE 就是必須要輪大夜班擔任值班的角色,初期目標為分擔 EE 輪值夜班的頻率,
最終目標大夜全部給 MAE 值班 (18A/B 廠有再執行)
就我所知道的,裡面的 AE 大部分人都不想輪班的,AE 會自我定義工作事情就是把 PM
做好,不太能加班目前已經出現 MAE 人力短缺的狀態,該公司開始往更後段大學去招
募人才個人認為 MAE 能有效分擔 EE 輪班的頻率,一直到 EE 完全不用輪班,機率非
常低,有種可能是提高 MAE 的待遇才有辦法去吸引人進來,不然白癡才來做 MAE,領
的錢只有工程師的一半,要做跟工程師一樣的事情.....
21.什麼樣的人適合做 GG 設備
(1) 缺錢
(2) 對修機有興趣
(3) 白天睡得著 (需輪夜班)
(4) 願意捨棄和家庭相處的時間,犧牲自己的生活品質
22.做完 GG 設備離職後的個人心得
(1) GG 只有操和非常操兩個選項,沒有爽的,通常氣氛好的課別加上老闆人也不錯,新
人才有機會待得住
(2) 待遇部分相對好很多,不過請記住一點,沒有錢多又讓你爽的,會給你這麼高的待遇
,通常會要你 100% 的時間和精力貢獻給公司
(3) 在產線的工作內容真的完全學不到專業技能,出來找工作不走產線相關非常難找工作
,能學到的大概就是怎麼做人,良心建議,真的不幸進去了,不想做就趕快出來
以上為個人的 GG 設備經驗談,有任何問題歡迎留言or站內信,謝謝收看!
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