Re: 三年後台灣IC設計是什麼樣? - 工程師
By Anthony
at 2016-06-20T09:25
at 2016-06-20T09:25
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※ 引述《damm (Anubis)》之銘言:
: 我的兩鬢斑白了,現在正在參加小朋友的活動。
: 台灣走到這個地步,其實對過往發生的歷史,社會
: 政治經濟發生的種種,有很多的感嘆。
: 我想來帶帶討論的風向好了
我想版上充斥一堆沒在IC設計業甚至半導體業工作過的,純粹來帶風向的
很難跟他們有理性討論
先說了,沒tsmc台灣會倒,沒MTK台灣不會倒,這就是我認知的事實
半導體業還可以走幾十年,接下來的VR,IOT,AI 人類生活離不開IC,可見的未來也離不開
tsmc
MTK 如果只以手機來看未來,那我奉勸股民還是快點出手,因為手機已經末路,除了Apple
其他公司賺不到錢,你看Google在做什麼就知道該往哪走,不管有沒有陸資,不管能不能繼
續在大陸賣手機晶片,手機的市場動能就是Game over,這是事實
Qualcomm,曾經意氣風發,但現在裁員幾千人,不是因為大陸市場卡住,而是全球手機市場
都卡住,你說第一名都這樣,其他人會好過嗎?技術好有用嗎?
好吧回過頭來看IC設計業,大者恆大的趨勢下,已經不適合單打獨鬥,以前一個單功能ASIC可以
撐起一家公司,現在全功能ARM SOC附贈一堆軟硬體,投入上億也賺不到一千萬,這個世界早
就變了,雖然我在本業十幾年,也不看好台灣的公司,因為缺乏了從最上遊到最下游,台灣以
前靠的是群聚效應,快速反應,cost down的能力,現在世界要的是制訂規格,一條龍平台,以
及貼近市場
制定規格,舉個現在在做的例子,車聯網 ethernet,把以前的CAN架構全部改ethernet,已獲
得各車商共識,但是整個架構台廠能夠切入嗎?
所以MTK蔡董打的是市場牌,希望能夠貼近市場,先讓手機繼續賣,之後能有機會繼續吃大陸
銷售通路,因為MTK投入15年都在這邊,即使知道被掐脖子,也沒路可逃沒路可走
所以台灣IC設計業要全部跟MTK綁在一起? 我認為答案是No
首先員工不等於老闆,老闆不等於公司,公司不等於產業,產業不等於國家未來
從員工角度,你的核心競爭力,將會因為大陸經理人來介入之後下降,因為你會受命把你的
know how 教給大陸工程師,這些不是課本學到,而是你花好幾年從失敗中學習的經驗,就這
樣交出去,這位大陸工程師哪天轉個圈到華為,他的學習曲線比你少了十年,他的公司比你
有錢直接買ARM全部license,他可以使用盜版,他可以偷竊設計,他的公司可以搞商業間諜,
到那一天,他可以完全取代你,這個已經在發生,我想業外的人是無法體會,有多少大陸沿海
的IC設計公司是靠台灣人撐起來的,在我看來這是飲鴆止渴,現在過去的頂多是老一輩的,
或是二軍工程師,等到一軍的人或是他的經驗都被挖走之後,台灣IC產業就可收攤
蔡老闆在賭, 我認為情有可原, 股民在賭, 也是必然, 但年輕人,年輕工程師,如果你們繼
續支持老闆的作為,如果政府繼續放任,我會很訝異,因為這是斷送你們未來的買賣,老一輩
的多已經五子登科,能賣一賣退休也是個選項,年輕工程師你認為你比大陸人好操那你就去
吧,現在每年畢業上千台清交eecs的,我想你們到大陸只是二流甚至三流,所以不再有百萬年
薪等你,你想在大陸公司晉升,不再是靠你的聰明才智努力,而是政治正確跟身家背景...
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: 我的兩鬢斑白了,現在正在參加小朋友的活動。
: 台灣走到這個地步,其實對過往發生的歷史,社會
: 政治經濟發生的種種,有很多的感嘆。
: 我想來帶帶討論的風向好了
我想版上充斥一堆沒在IC設計業甚至半導體業工作過的,純粹來帶風向的
很難跟他們有理性討論
先說了,沒tsmc台灣會倒,沒MTK台灣不會倒,這就是我認知的事實
半導體業還可以走幾十年,接下來的VR,IOT,AI 人類生活離不開IC,可見的未來也離不開
tsmc
MTK 如果只以手機來看未來,那我奉勸股民還是快點出手,因為手機已經末路,除了Apple
其他公司賺不到錢,你看Google在做什麼就知道該往哪走,不管有沒有陸資,不管能不能繼
續在大陸賣手機晶片,手機的市場動能就是Game over,這是事實
Qualcomm,曾經意氣風發,但現在裁員幾千人,不是因為大陸市場卡住,而是全球手機市場
都卡住,你說第一名都這樣,其他人會好過嗎?技術好有用嗎?
好吧回過頭來看IC設計業,大者恆大的趨勢下,已經不適合單打獨鬥,以前一個單功能ASIC可以
撐起一家公司,現在全功能ARM SOC附贈一堆軟硬體,投入上億也賺不到一千萬,這個世界早
就變了,雖然我在本業十幾年,也不看好台灣的公司,因為缺乏了從最上遊到最下游,台灣以
前靠的是群聚效應,快速反應,cost down的能力,現在世界要的是制訂規格,一條龍平台,以
及貼近市場
制定規格,舉個現在在做的例子,車聯網 ethernet,把以前的CAN架構全部改ethernet,已獲
得各車商共識,但是整個架構台廠能夠切入嗎?
所以MTK蔡董打的是市場牌,希望能夠貼近市場,先讓手機繼續賣,之後能有機會繼續吃大陸
銷售通路,因為MTK投入15年都在這邊,即使知道被掐脖子,也沒路可逃沒路可走
所以台灣IC設計業要全部跟MTK綁在一起? 我認為答案是No
首先員工不等於老闆,老闆不等於公司,公司不等於產業,產業不等於國家未來
從員工角度,你的核心競爭力,將會因為大陸經理人來介入之後下降,因為你會受命把你的
know how 教給大陸工程師,這些不是課本學到,而是你花好幾年從失敗中學習的經驗,就這
樣交出去,這位大陸工程師哪天轉個圈到華為,他的學習曲線比你少了十年,他的公司比你
有錢直接買ARM全部license,他可以使用盜版,他可以偷竊設計,他的公司可以搞商業間諜,
到那一天,他可以完全取代你,這個已經在發生,我想業外的人是無法體會,有多少大陸沿海
的IC設計公司是靠台灣人撐起來的,在我看來這是飲鴆止渴,現在過去的頂多是老一輩的,
或是二軍工程師,等到一軍的人或是他的經驗都被挖走之後,台灣IC產業就可收攤
蔡老闆在賭, 我認為情有可原, 股民在賭, 也是必然, 但年輕人,年輕工程師,如果你們繼
續支持老闆的作為,如果政府繼續放任,我會很訝異,因為這是斷送你們未來的買賣,老一輩
的多已經五子登科,能賣一賣退休也是個選項,年輕工程師你認為你比大陸人好操那你就去
吧,現在每年畢業上千台清交eecs的,我想你們到大陸只是二流甚至三流,所以不再有百萬年
薪等你,你想在大陸公司晉升,不再是靠你的聰明才智努力,而是政治正確跟身家背景...
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