Re: 十年設備甘苦談 - 工程師
By William
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身為製程,看到設備弟兄的這篇文簡直臨表涕泣,不知所云!讓我給您一個respect!小
弟真的佩服!
因為小弟致力於分享裡面真實的狀況讓大家和社會新鮮人知道,看到這篇推文還是很多說
的不是真的......,小弟再分享一些夢境吧,以下是昨天晚上夢到的:
首先關於職等:
31 工程師
32 資深工程師
33 主任工程師
34 副理
33M 就是Leader,通常被認為最可能下一個升34的。不是每個33都是Leader。
小弟因為不夠資深,了解範圍只到34。而且有幸,小弟認識一個34!也是從設備上來的!
(當初我的長輩們都很開心我去該公司,只有他持反對意見~去了之後後悔當初應該聽他
的)他十年就升上34了!然後現在已經在該公司服務22年,一直都沒升,所以小的認為一
般碩士的天花板大概就在這吧!(你說有一些碩士是副總或處長的啊?拜託,看一下他們
工號)。所以升官的容易與否我覺得跟時代一定有關,他當初升的時候真的是有缺,也不
用跟人在那邊玩政治,另外...他是私立碩畢......。
該公司升人的標準,看年資、烤雞好不好吃、跟能力,一定會有人說看能力,那我也可以
!確實,小弟佩服原po的地方就在這,但真的純粹這些原因嗎?我認識的有一個已經七年
還在31,他能力不好嗎?跟他聊過,原來是他原本在新竹後來被調到台中然後又被調回新
竹,都不是他自願的,他是如此為公司奉獻!但是如果你是台中的主管,你會先升自己人
還是從竹科來的?恰巧被調回新竹後主管不一樣......結果你知道的。這也是我離開原因
之一。我也有認識升很快的!31-32只要一年!然後......就沒然後了,卡在32。他能力
不好?那怎麼可能31-32升那麼快?還有31-33只要五年!還被升為Leader,當時還有主管
缺......沒然後了,主管空降的,就維持leader到11年。還有已經服務12年,但還是33也
不是Leader的,例子舉不完啊!在裡面的看一下my研究一下各課的工號便可知。
甚至,我參加該公司的新人訓,就是一開始兩天的那個。講到其中一個課,關於升遷的。
裡面甚至說,升等不一定是好的!代表要承擔更多,還要公司剛好有擴張也要有缺...bal
abala。我只感覺到他們在打預防針......
不過確實如原po所說,如果要升,可以往新廠去,也要跟對人,這倒是一個方法。因為其
他廠每個缺都有人了,除非他們退休,或是有組織擴張,但前面很多人排隊就是。
第二關於$$
到底為什麼說ㄧ進去隨便就兩三百的?那是假的,記住那些ID!你會感謝我。
一個碩士新鮮人進去,就是死豬價沒得談,另外特定科系還有特定學校的(謝謝有人提出
):電機、電子、材料、化學、化工、物理......(我不知道全部)會有一年的簽約金7
萬8。為何是7萬8?因為這是以前碩士價還是3萬9時兩個月的薪水!
沒錯,在分紅費用化之前,碩士價是3萬9。後來不發股票了,公司為了彌補大家,將底薪
調成4萬5千5,然後從盈餘的錢播出來發的好像從7%變成15%的樣子?(確切數字可能有錯
)這樣以「當時的股價」來算,年薪沒變。但已經過了11年了!底薪一點都沒有變!有人
算,現在進去比當時大概一半都不到吧......唉。
公司保14個月,第一年進去照到職比例。另外,每年二月底發去年Q4分紅,五月發今年Q1
,八月發今年Q2,十一月發今年Q3。但是試用期三個月不算,過了再以該季扣掉試用期時
間後的比例進行發放。也就是最慘的話前八個月都不會領到!每次的分紅有多有少,通常
Q1-2較少,Q3最多。算平均大約每次5個月,但有一半明年7月中領。這已經多估算了,話
說今年很慘,Q1-2直接打5-6折,底薪真的才是最重要的......唉。
算給大家看,假設你碩士第一年剛好1/1日進去。那在4/1才開始算分紅,Q2剛好全部領到
。年薪:第一年45500*12+(2.5*45500*2)+78000=851500。第三年全領滿,就大概是150
萬左右。另外,在台灣每年調薪3%烤雞好的最多5%,說個笑話,去看看中國地區的調多少
?5%-7%!台灣真的QQ......唉。31-33升一個職等調5%。所以根據我的情報:
31 : 135-160
32 : 150-180
33 好的話可以兩百,但33們都太可怕了......我都不敢問
34 才可能有300,但好像不是一開始就有...
裡面如果有錯的歡迎修正、討論!
夢醒了......
--
弟真的佩服!
因為小弟致力於分享裡面真實的狀況讓大家和社會新鮮人知道,看到這篇推文還是很多說
的不是真的......,小弟再分享一些夢境吧,以下是昨天晚上夢到的:
首先關於職等:
31 工程師
32 資深工程師
33 主任工程師
34 副理
33M 就是Leader,通常被認為最可能下一個升34的。不是每個33都是Leader。
小弟因為不夠資深,了解範圍只到34。而且有幸,小弟認識一個34!也是從設備上來的!
(當初我的長輩們都很開心我去該公司,只有他持反對意見~去了之後後悔當初應該聽他
的)他十年就升上34了!然後現在已經在該公司服務22年,一直都沒升,所以小的認為一
般碩士的天花板大概就在這吧!(你說有一些碩士是副總或處長的啊?拜託,看一下他們
工號)。所以升官的容易與否我覺得跟時代一定有關,他當初升的時候真的是有缺,也不
用跟人在那邊玩政治,另外...他是私立碩畢......。
該公司升人的標準,看年資、烤雞好不好吃、跟能力,一定會有人說看能力,那我也可以
!確實,小弟佩服原po的地方就在這,但真的純粹這些原因嗎?我認識的有一個已經七年
還在31,他能力不好嗎?跟他聊過,原來是他原本在新竹後來被調到台中然後又被調回新
竹,都不是他自願的,他是如此為公司奉獻!但是如果你是台中的主管,你會先升自己人
還是從竹科來的?恰巧被調回新竹後主管不一樣......結果你知道的。這也是我離開原因
之一。我也有認識升很快的!31-32只要一年!然後......就沒然後了,卡在32。他能力
不好?那怎麼可能31-32升那麼快?還有31-33只要五年!還被升為Leader,當時還有主管
缺......沒然後了,主管空降的,就維持leader到11年。還有已經服務12年,但還是33也
不是Leader的,例子舉不完啊!在裡面的看一下my研究一下各課的工號便可知。
甚至,我參加該公司的新人訓,就是一開始兩天的那個。講到其中一個課,關於升遷的。
裡面甚至說,升等不一定是好的!代表要承擔更多,還要公司剛好有擴張也要有缺...bal
abala。我只感覺到他們在打預防針......
不過確實如原po所說,如果要升,可以往新廠去,也要跟對人,這倒是一個方法。因為其
他廠每個缺都有人了,除非他們退休,或是有組織擴張,但前面很多人排隊就是。
第二關於$$
到底為什麼說ㄧ進去隨便就兩三百的?那是假的,記住那些ID!你會感謝我。
一個碩士新鮮人進去,就是死豬價沒得談,另外特定科系還有特定學校的(謝謝有人提出
):電機、電子、材料、化學、化工、物理......(我不知道全部)會有一年的簽約金7
萬8。為何是7萬8?因為這是以前碩士價還是3萬9時兩個月的薪水!
沒錯,在分紅費用化之前,碩士價是3萬9。後來不發股票了,公司為了彌補大家,將底薪
調成4萬5千5,然後從盈餘的錢播出來發的好像從7%變成15%的樣子?(確切數字可能有錯
)這樣以「當時的股價」來算,年薪沒變。但已經過了11年了!底薪一點都沒有變!有人
算,現在進去比當時大概一半都不到吧......唉。
公司保14個月,第一年進去照到職比例。另外,每年二月底發去年Q4分紅,五月發今年Q1
,八月發今年Q2,十一月發今年Q3。但是試用期三個月不算,過了再以該季扣掉試用期時
間後的比例進行發放。也就是最慘的話前八個月都不會領到!每次的分紅有多有少,通常
Q1-2較少,Q3最多。算平均大約每次5個月,但有一半明年7月中領。這已經多估算了,話
說今年很慘,Q1-2直接打5-6折,底薪真的才是最重要的......唉。
算給大家看,假設你碩士第一年剛好1/1日進去。那在4/1才開始算分紅,Q2剛好全部領到
。年薪:第一年45500*12+(2.5*45500*2)+78000=851500。第三年全領滿,就大概是150
萬左右。另外,在台灣每年調薪3%烤雞好的最多5%,說個笑話,去看看中國地區的調多少
?5%-7%!台灣真的QQ......唉。31-33升一個職等調5%。所以根據我的情報:
31 : 135-160
32 : 150-180
33 好的話可以兩百,但33們都太可怕了......我都不敢問
34 才可能有300,但好像不是一開始就有...
裡面如果有錯的歡迎修正、討論!
夢醒了......
--
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