一名海邊的員工被迫跑了整個工業區 - 工程師
By Jack
at 2017-09-21T13:35
at 2017-09-21T13:35
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相關消息:在這次事件的勞資案件中,就勞資檢舉案件要件部分進行補充,說明代為檢舉
及本人檢舉的差異性。
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大家好,我是LLsolo,同時也剛好負責PTT的法務部門。
不過在這邊,不以PTT站長或站方的身份來表態。
僅以個人鄉民的角度,就這個事件
將本人的勞權小組,
願意提供法律等相關資源協助,不論是事主、版友或是版主,甚至是學姊。
在現在這個時間點,其實大家應該是要關注整個鴻海事件的走向,
這次的事件應該是近期少數科技業工程師引起高度關注的勞權事件,
事實上說不定對方正在笑看我們內鬥。
在討論這個事件時,我先就之前小組與公司財團開戰的事件做個分享
大家不要小看鄉民的力量,同時也是位在新北市。
2 M爆 6/19 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 除了徐旭東的亞泥,他的亞東醫院也很狂
3 M爆 6/20 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院的子虛烏有真的跟他老闆一樣狂!!
4 M爆 7/07 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院:勞資鐘點戰 血汗上映中!!
5 M爆 7/10 Sid5566 □ [新聞] 強迫護理師「付薪買假」 亞東醫院:過
6 M爆 7/12 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院血汗電影院:無間道之有內鬼
7 M爆 7/25 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院血汗電影院:勞檢行動之內鬼現身
8 M爆 8/09 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院血汗電影院:白色恐怖再現
> 9 M爆 8/11 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 血汗醫護電影院最終章:鄉民正義-看見台灣
整個開戰到裁罰過程其實只要閱讀最後一篇來龍去脈就好
檢附相關網址如下
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1502438645.A.E23.html
而這最後的結果就是
[新聞] 醫療院所濫用「負時數」 亞東醫院開罰百萬元
[新聞] 9醫院 用違約金綁護理師
今年上半年我們開始接獲鄉民的爆料,進而開始行動
事實上,這類型的變形工時造成的扭曲生態,與工程師是相同的
沒有什麼歷史共業是無法突破的
看亞東醫院從子虛烏有到被罪證確鑿被開罰100萬。(罰鍰最高上限)
現在我們回頭來看這個事件
如果事件與原PO所述無異且握有鐵證
勞資案件的部分,我們可以知道並不是原PO以當事人檢舉的
而是由熱心鄉民代為檢舉
這在勞工局處理這個勞資案件的時候,如果有當事人的說詞
對這個案件的調查會更有幫助。
至少在醫院勞權事件的時候,我們都有取得當事人的關鍵說詞以及相關事證
勞工局和警察局還有這個相關司法單位都是一樣的原則
就是
「一分證據說一分話」
以亞東醫院為例,罪證確鑿的情況下,亞東醫院就被開罰到現行法令最高額100萬。
(現行法規最高就是這樣,如果大家覺得這對財團不痛不癢的話,
可能得要請勞動部和立委就這法規修法,否則就算案件再怎麼猛,上限就是一百萬。)
刑事案件的部分,
當然也是一樣的原則,除了報案外,是否有更多的關鍵證據
例如除了監視器畫面外,是否有目擊證人願意現身說法
而這非常需要勇氣。
以亞東醫院狼醫偷拍事件而言
就是有畫面且有受害者的證詞。
一旦證據資料不足,就可能會出現不如預期的結果。
畢竟,這個事件的對手並不是什麼柑仔店
而是大財團,所有的東西都一定要準備到位。
就像亞東醫院一開始的時候被指控時也出面說子虛烏有
但是馬上就被打臉了進而轉低調處理。
========================================================
這邊可能大家會覺得為什麼要自己做這麼多事情
我也能夠理解。
但是事實就是,與其期待相關單位會有一個符合期待的結果出來
還是靠自己比較實際。
當大家的力量聚集在一起的時候,沒有什麼歷史共業是無法突破的。
記者沒有報並不是不報,畢竟一開始也有記者關心
有沒有可能是記者就像版主一樣可能是面對來自不同的壓力?
至於妨害名譽、個資法等等之類
都會有公共利益的排除適用,
評論一件具有真實性的公共事件或是行為予以負面評價,
或是因為社會重大事件而公佈相關資料等等
都會因為涉及公共利益而排除適用。
如果大家、原PO有需要的話,隨時歡迎站內信與我聯繫。
最後只希望大家可以將目光焦點和群眾力量放回到這個事件上。
--
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相關消息:在這次事件的勞資案件中,就勞資檢舉案件要件部分進行補充,說明代為檢舉
及本人檢舉的差異性。
-
大家好,我是LLsolo,同時也剛好負責PTT的法務部門。
不過在這邊,不以PTT站長或站方的身份來表態。
僅以個人鄉民的角度,就這個事件
將本人的勞權小組,
願意提供法律等相關資源協助,不論是事主、版友或是版主,甚至是學姊。
在現在這個時間點,其實大家應該是要關注整個鴻海事件的走向,
這次的事件應該是近期少數科技業工程師引起高度關注的勞權事件,
事實上說不定對方正在笑看我們內鬥。
在討論這個事件時,我先就之前小組與公司財團開戰的事件做個分享
大家不要小看鄉民的力量,同時也是位在新北市。
2 M爆 6/19 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 除了徐旭東的亞泥,他的亞東醫院也很狂
3 M爆 6/20 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院的子虛烏有真的跟他老闆一樣狂!!
4 M爆 7/07 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院:勞資鐘點戰 血汗上映中!!
5 M爆 7/10 Sid5566 □ [新聞] 強迫護理師「付薪買假」 亞東醫院:過
6 M爆 7/12 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院血汗電影院:無間道之有內鬼
7 M爆 7/25 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院血汗電影院:勞檢行動之內鬼現身
8 M爆 8/09 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 亞東醫院血汗電影院:白色恐怖再現
> 9 M爆 8/11 Sid5566 □ [爆卦] 血汗醫護電影院最終章:鄉民正義-看見台灣
整個開戰到裁罰過程其實只要閱讀最後一篇來龍去脈就好
檢附相關網址如下
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1502438645.A.E23.html
而這最後的結果就是
[新聞] 醫療院所濫用「負時數」 亞東醫院開罰百萬元
[新聞] 9醫院 用違約金綁護理師
今年上半年我們開始接獲鄉民的爆料,進而開始行動
事實上,這類型的變形工時造成的扭曲生態,與工程師是相同的
沒有什麼歷史共業是無法突破的
看亞東醫院從子虛烏有到被罪證確鑿被開罰100萬。(罰鍰最高上限)
現在我們回頭來看這個事件
如果事件與原PO所述無異且握有鐵證
勞資案件的部分,我們可以知道並不是原PO以當事人檢舉的
而是由熱心鄉民代為檢舉
這在勞工局處理這個勞資案件的時候,如果有當事人的說詞
對這個案件的調查會更有幫助。
至少在醫院勞權事件的時候,我們都有取得當事人的關鍵說詞以及相關事證
勞工局和警察局還有這個相關司法單位都是一樣的原則
就是
「一分證據說一分話」
以亞東醫院為例,罪證確鑿的情況下,亞東醫院就被開罰到現行法令最高額100萬。
(現行法規最高就是這樣,如果大家覺得這對財團不痛不癢的話,
可能得要請勞動部和立委就這法規修法,否則就算案件再怎麼猛,上限就是一百萬。)
刑事案件的部分,
當然也是一樣的原則,除了報案外,是否有更多的關鍵證據
例如除了監視器畫面外,是否有目擊證人願意現身說法
而這非常需要勇氣。
以亞東醫院狼醫偷拍事件而言
就是有畫面且有受害者的證詞。
一旦證據資料不足,就可能會出現不如預期的結果。
畢竟,這個事件的對手並不是什麼柑仔店
而是大財團,所有的東西都一定要準備到位。
就像亞東醫院一開始的時候被指控時也出面說子虛烏有
但是馬上就被打臉了進而轉低調處理。
========================================================
這邊可能大家會覺得為什麼要自己做這麼多事情
我也能夠理解。
但是事實就是,與其期待相關單位會有一個符合期待的結果出來
還是靠自己比較實際。
當大家的力量聚集在一起的時候,沒有什麼歷史共業是無法突破的。
記者沒有報並不是不報,畢竟一開始也有記者關心
有沒有可能是記者就像版主一樣可能是面對來自不同的壓力?
至於妨害名譽、個資法等等之類
都會有公共利益的排除適用,
評論一件具有真實性的公共事件或是行為予以負面評價,
或是因為社會重大事件而公佈相關資料等等
都會因為涉及公共利益而排除適用。
如果大家、原PO有需要的話,隨時歡迎站內信與我聯繫。
最後只希望大家可以將目光焦點和群眾力量放回到這個事件上。
--
正義的對面不是邪惡,而是另一種形式的正義。
人家開粉專接業配當網紅
我開粉專報平安閃歡樂送
LLsolo廢文專區:https://goo.gl/JffDSD
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