其實北漂根本是假議題吧? - 面試
By Xanthe
at 2018-11-30T11:43
at 2018-11-30T11:43
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其實以科技業來說,我覺得要北漂返鄉,就是很簡單兩件事:
1、落實勞檢、環檢。
2、積極招商。
落實勞檢得以提升所得,讓青年不需離鄉背景就可以有合理的收入。
招商讓更多產業聚落在高雄,才能夠帶動整體經濟,
讓青年找得到工作,還能有升遷發展機會。
—————以下說給不是北漂族的聽————
什麼高鐵2小時都是屁話!
小弟是在台北工作的高雄人,我不只是在高雄出生、長大,連大學、當兵都是在高雄。但
畢業出了社會,南部薪水硬是比北部低了好幾千,
例如:日月神教中壢跟高雄薪資就有差。
發展性更不用說了,於是我北漂到了土
城工作定居。
由於大學是在高雄念的,同學大部分都是高雄人。這些同學就我所知,除了少部分家有事
業、考上公教之外,我還真想不到哪個沒有北漂的。差別只是在於漂到的是台南、新竹,
還是台北。
雖然好像從台北坐高鐵2個小時就會到高雄,但這個2小時距離實際上卻變成是一年只能回
去ㄧ、兩次的障礙。怎麼說呢?原因如下:
1、成家有了孩子(我三個),一家五口的高鐵票是很大一筆支出。不太可能每每去看爸
媽度週末。
2、高雄縣區沒車基本上很難出門。我老家在高雄大樹,佛光山附近省道旁,開車到最近
的7-11要開省道10分鐘,開到百貨公司、榮總醫院要一個小時。家裡如果沒有多的汽車,
像我這種狀況,坐車回南部是去關在家像坐牢的。
3、若是改開車,開車從土城到高雄,再怎樣,也要4.5個小時。週休連續開兩天太累、划
不來不說,連續假日又會塞車,因此往往選擇開夜車,半夜出門讓妻小在車上睡,到了差
不多5-6點,自己再去補眠。但這樣來回+補眠,又得耗掉2天。
4、若家裡有人生病,如我父親幾年前罹癌。工作不在當地,根本無法照顧。每個禮拜坐
高鐵回家帶家人去化療、復健、就醫,做得到?
綜合以上有家歸不得的痛苦,跟偶一為之的南下旅遊時完全不同的。不要再說什麼只要兩
小時的屁話了。
※ 引述《qmqmqm ()》之銘言:
: 先說本篇是講在科技業工作, 請板主還有死忠支持者先看內容;
: 我已經陸續看到一些人在點明, 韓市長到底能解決什麼北漂問題?
: 從他第一個聯絡的鴻海釋出的消息來說, 並沒有提到什麼讓人振奮的內容
: 根據過去財報, 我們知道鴻海9x%的業務收入來自組裝業務
: 那些看起來很厲害的高科技業務, 都被做成連字訣包在財報裡對外喊而已
: (什麼雲, 大, 物, 連, 什麼的, 反正自己找鴻海字訣)
: 然而目前, 連其主收入都在衰退中
: 鴻海是台灣代工文化的指標
: 所以我們可以說, 這根本就不是什麼北漂回鄉的問題
: 而是科技業多年未轉型的問題, 跟台北高雄也沒關係
: 主要還是產業思維
: 而為了兌現, 就算把部分東西拉到高雄去做
: 走組裝, 勢必要提供有更便宜的誘因, 然而我們看威州在川普補助下連招工都有問題
: 而走那些連字訣的, 是連鴻海自己都還不能兌現, 換到高雄就會起色嗎? 養得起嗎?
: 貨出去, 人進來, 聽來就很像觀光業的模式, 但放到台灣科技業模式的話
: 其實就是組裝業務(貨)出去, 其對應的產品線(人)進來
: 所以其實如果還是要繼續搞低高科技的話, 根本就不需要再耗台灣資源了
: 搬來搬去也是需要錢的, 如果又需要政府幫助的話最後又是人民買單
: 要知道目前高雄負債3000億, 連丟出去的空間都不夠了, 是又能回收多少?
: 這跟台北高雄, 還是大陸美國都沒關係, 也跟韓總的招商沒關係
: 是科技業, 還有經營本質的問題
: 就算韓總很有魄力, 郭董您只能把連字訣的部分搬來高雄
: 但這點如前言, 郭董想, 也不一定做得到
: 跟什麼魄力, 誠意, 清廉, 也都沒有關係
: 這是一個指標性的公司為例, 其他更不用說了
: 而如果韓總是要搞觀光, 搞其他, 去振興底層人民的小商家經濟
: 那是吸引到受過高教北漂的小孩嗎?, 還是只是吸引到這些小孩的長輩而已
: 再一點是業界自己文化問題;
: 就是算招商很成功, 韓總全部都限定是要那些有價值的工作
: 但是這些中高工作應徵也是要門檻, 也不一定是當地畢業可以做
: 那些北漂出去7年級, 8年級, 願意承擔這個換跑道的風險嗎?
: 再來不論高低階, 現在8年級最大都27了
: 以台灣很愛問你家事的面試文化, 會不會多年後回鄉還被嫌幹嘛回來?
: 這是你我都熟知的業界文化, 跟台北高雄沒有關係
: 看來看去, 可能還是只能走炒熱底層經濟路線
: 但多講下去就偏離科技業了
: 如題, 所以韓總說要把北漂的人帶回來;
: 那麼, 到底鎖定的是哪些北漂族群呢?
: 佔的比例又是多少? 對應的招商與工作是哪些
: 對自己財政問題能怎麼救? 能確保4年後的長期發展嗎?
: 至少目前以科技業來說, 如果還是要把低.高科技搬過去
: 那乾脆不要搬了, 那根本不是台北高雄的問題
: 是科技業的問題
--
1、落實勞檢、環檢。
2、積極招商。
落實勞檢得以提升所得,讓青年不需離鄉背景就可以有合理的收入。
招商讓更多產業聚落在高雄,才能夠帶動整體經濟,
讓青年找得到工作,還能有升遷發展機會。
—————以下說給不是北漂族的聽————
什麼高鐵2小時都是屁話!
小弟是在台北工作的高雄人,我不只是在高雄出生、長大,連大學、當兵都是在高雄。但
畢業出了社會,南部薪水硬是比北部低了好幾千,
例如:日月神教中壢跟高雄薪資就有差。
發展性更不用說了,於是我北漂到了土
城工作定居。
由於大學是在高雄念的,同學大部分都是高雄人。這些同學就我所知,除了少部分家有事
業、考上公教之外,我還真想不到哪個沒有北漂的。差別只是在於漂到的是台南、新竹,
還是台北。
雖然好像從台北坐高鐵2個小時就會到高雄,但這個2小時距離實際上卻變成是一年只能回
去ㄧ、兩次的障礙。怎麼說呢?原因如下:
1、成家有了孩子(我三個),一家五口的高鐵票是很大一筆支出。不太可能每每去看爸
媽度週末。
2、高雄縣區沒車基本上很難出門。我老家在高雄大樹,佛光山附近省道旁,開車到最近
的7-11要開省道10分鐘,開到百貨公司、榮總醫院要一個小時。家裡如果沒有多的汽車,
像我這種狀況,坐車回南部是去關在家像坐牢的。
3、若是改開車,開車從土城到高雄,再怎樣,也要4.5個小時。週休連續開兩天太累、划
不來不說,連續假日又會塞車,因此往往選擇開夜車,半夜出門讓妻小在車上睡,到了差
不多5-6點,自己再去補眠。但這樣來回+補眠,又得耗掉2天。
4、若家裡有人生病,如我父親幾年前罹癌。工作不在當地,根本無法照顧。每個禮拜坐
高鐵回家帶家人去化療、復健、就醫,做得到?
綜合以上有家歸不得的痛苦,跟偶一為之的南下旅遊時完全不同的。不要再說什麼只要兩
小時的屁話了。
※ 引述《qmqmqm ()》之銘言:
: 先說本篇是講在科技業工作, 請板主還有死忠支持者先看內容;
: 我已經陸續看到一些人在點明, 韓市長到底能解決什麼北漂問題?
: 從他第一個聯絡的鴻海釋出的消息來說, 並沒有提到什麼讓人振奮的內容
: 根據過去財報, 我們知道鴻海9x%的業務收入來自組裝業務
: 那些看起來很厲害的高科技業務, 都被做成連字訣包在財報裡對外喊而已
: (什麼雲, 大, 物, 連, 什麼的, 反正自己找鴻海字訣)
: 然而目前, 連其主收入都在衰退中
: 鴻海是台灣代工文化的指標
: 所以我們可以說, 這根本就不是什麼北漂回鄉的問題
: 而是科技業多年未轉型的問題, 跟台北高雄也沒關係
: 主要還是產業思維
: 而為了兌現, 就算把部分東西拉到高雄去做
: 走組裝, 勢必要提供有更便宜的誘因, 然而我們看威州在川普補助下連招工都有問題
: 而走那些連字訣的, 是連鴻海自己都還不能兌現, 換到高雄就會起色嗎? 養得起嗎?
: 貨出去, 人進來, 聽來就很像觀光業的模式, 但放到台灣科技業模式的話
: 其實就是組裝業務(貨)出去, 其對應的產品線(人)進來
: 所以其實如果還是要繼續搞低高科技的話, 根本就不需要再耗台灣資源了
: 搬來搬去也是需要錢的, 如果又需要政府幫助的話最後又是人民買單
: 要知道目前高雄負債3000億, 連丟出去的空間都不夠了, 是又能回收多少?
: 這跟台北高雄, 還是大陸美國都沒關係, 也跟韓總的招商沒關係
: 是科技業, 還有經營本質的問題
: 就算韓總很有魄力, 郭董您只能把連字訣的部分搬來高雄
: 但這點如前言, 郭董想, 也不一定做得到
: 跟什麼魄力, 誠意, 清廉, 也都沒有關係
: 這是一個指標性的公司為例, 其他更不用說了
: 而如果韓總是要搞觀光, 搞其他, 去振興底層人民的小商家經濟
: 那是吸引到受過高教北漂的小孩嗎?, 還是只是吸引到這些小孩的長輩而已
: 再一點是業界自己文化問題;
: 就是算招商很成功, 韓總全部都限定是要那些有價值的工作
: 但是這些中高工作應徵也是要門檻, 也不一定是當地畢業可以做
: 那些北漂出去7年級, 8年級, 願意承擔這個換跑道的風險嗎?
: 再來不論高低階, 現在8年級最大都27了
: 以台灣很愛問你家事的面試文化, 會不會多年後回鄉還被嫌幹嘛回來?
: 這是你我都熟知的業界文化, 跟台北高雄沒有關係
: 看來看去, 可能還是只能走炒熱底層經濟路線
: 但多講下去就偏離科技業了
: 如題, 所以韓總說要把北漂的人帶回來;
: 那麼, 到底鎖定的是哪些北漂族群呢?
: 佔的比例又是多少? 對應的招商與工作是哪些
: 對自己財政問題能怎麼救? 能確保4年後的長期發展嗎?
: 至少目前以科技業來說, 如果還是要把低.高科技搬過去
: 那乾脆不要搬了, 那根本不是台北高雄的問題
: 是科技業的問題
--
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