台大純血非電資碩 當GG製程會太浪費嗎? - 工程師
By Daph Bay
at 2019-07-14T20:30
at 2019-07-14T20:30
Table of Contents
代po
台大純血畢業非電資
理工科系+機械所
畢業快失業
目前只有GG製程的offer有年薪百萬
朋友說做這個太浪費了
未來目標應該放在哪一個?
1自學coding去矽谷
成功的學長說
要燃燒生命去coding才能出類拔萃
因為那麼多人轉行都是選coding
很快就會飽和
而且以後要一直學新的語言
2留在工具機產業
興趣在工具機
但是薪水爆炸低
可能要離開台灣跟家人
才能領global pay
然後我英文不是很好
3隨便考個國營耍廢過完一生
覺得浪費人生跟學歷
而且教授常常說
國營就是廢物才去的
4其他
感覺只有從商才能賺大錢
但是從商需要手腕不需要學歷
怕沒有優勢
謝謝~
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沒有方向的船,每道海風都是逆向的。
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推 justin037666: 看過台大純血機械學,走第一條路去美拿碩博然後工作07/14 20:33
為何要拿博? 噓 soulgel: ……“07/14 20:33
推 join183club: 其實如果找不到更好,浪費的邏輯在那?07/14 20:33
推 xup6y3ru04: 這三個方向差那麼多 至少依據自己的個性稍微研究一下07/14 20:34
→ xup6y3ru04: 吧07/14 20:34
推 n791116: 1 去矽谷coding 人生勝利組07/14 20:35
推 john11894324: 做製程發展性低,依純血來講有點浪費07/14 20:35
對呀 → ganninian: 能去矽谷就去啊 如果只是幻想做夢就算了07/14 20:38
→ Alphaz: 薪水越多越不浪費07/14 20:39
推 thbw666: 每個系都可以自學coding去矽谷吧 有沒有成功而已07/14 20:39
推 lrm549: 去矽谷又不是保證有工作07/14 20:41
唉 ※ 編輯: RapeKing168 (111.71.11.51 臺灣), 07/14/2019 20:49:55
推 NEWG5: GG很多台大機械所的啊 不過我是建議1.啦或國營 工具機沒有07/14 20:50
→ NEWG5: 很好07/14 20:50
那些學長應該不是製程/設備吧@@ ※ 編輯: RapeKing168 (111.71.11.51 臺灣), 07/14/2019 20:51:37
推 j0958322080: 機械不去GG要幹嘛 07/14 20:55
→ ts01049212: 你可以先去其他地方當機構 然後你就會想去GG了 07/14 21:06
→ NGB: 你以為你什麼咖? 去GG設備剛好而已好嗎 07/14 21:06
→ NGB: 從你寫的矽谷幻想到國營耍廢,根本好高騖遠 07/14 21:06
推 z2243390: 在快樂生活的前提下 去追求你的目標,每有什麼最好的路 07/14 21:08
噓 DickMartin: ????????????????????是百萬還兩百萬 看清楚 07/14 21:09
→ z2243390: 若你下班後的生活十分充實 在國營耍廢也只是為求經濟收 07/14 21:09
噓 zzz3345678: Zzzz 07/14 21:13
→ dslite: 機械所 撿角了 07/14 21:14
推 xup6y3ru04: 我會建議先試試看2, 考國營是何時都可以考的 07/14 21:14
→ xup6y3ru04: 且在外面做過之後 會比較可以接受國營的工作 07/14 21:14
→ xup6y3ru04: 一開始就去國營 可能會覺得太無聊而離開 07/14 21:15
→ xup6y3ru04: 1 的話, 看起來你沒有太多coding的經驗 跟所學興趣也 07/14 21:16
→ xup6y3ru04: 差很多 有可能做的痛苦又做不好 07/14 21:16
→ cjo4zo2k7al: 能力在哪就去哪,有什麼好浪費的? 07/14 21:18
推 Bijala: 我只經歷過1 你學長沒有嚇你 07/14 21:18
→ Bijala: 的確要有興趣當作動力源 07/14 21:18
→ Bijala: 努力 時間規劃等等當然重要 07/14 21:18
→ Bijala: 但久了就會發現努力永遠比不過樂在其中 07/14 21:18
→ beca800203: 我是廢物 怒噓 07/14 21:21
推 gogogokoala: 台北外商 07/14 21:21
噓 bear15328: 機械還在作夢阿? 能去製程沒滾去設備就不錯了 07/14 21:25
推 gohow: QQ 07/14 21:27
推 terry79: 哪裡都見的到熊班長耶 07/14 21:28
→ fightforlive: 出國唸碩博,身旁有幾個成功例子 07/14 21:30
推 yainman: 認真建議 新代應該會比GG製程更適合你朋友 07/14 21:37
推 kissa0924307: 選總統或立委啊 07/14 21:38
→ ming60406: 機械有製程還嫌 沒開設備缺給你就偷笑了 07/14 21:40
推 GreatShot: 你的簽名檔回答了請你代PO的人的問題 07/14 21:42
推 horb: 不出國 真的很難找到比GG好的 07/14 21:42
推 sunnyx: 2 然後把英文學好 一年內最高的提升方式 07/14 21:43
推 s003913: 能力能負荷就1,對所學有理想就2,想短期賺多一點錢就GG 07/14 21:45
→ s003913: ,3如果家裡不缺錢可以去廢一下 07/14 21:45
→ horb: 我個人是覺得在國營企業工作 可以有大量時間投資自己的資產 07/14 21:47
→ horb: 才是勝利組 07/14 21:47
→ linecross: 祝你能找到心目中理想的工作啦...不過看你的標題...只 07/14 21:48
→ linecross: 能說太年輕了 07/14 21:48
→ enunion: 台大機械所沒有比成大機械所厲害吧 能去台積製程很不錯了 07/14 21:50
推 squard: 你可以去上銀 07/14 21:53
推 k910390: 我覺得選1沒有熱忱的話絕對撐不下去 07/14 21:55
噓 daidairay: 機械沒給你設備缺就不錯了吧@@ 07/14 21:55
推 LinuxKernel: 不入GG人生GG 07/14 21:56
推 daidairay: 真的覺得可惜就加強英文去外商阿 07/14 21:57
噓 wzmildf: 不然你覺得自己適合去哪高就 07/14 21:58
→ Mtcat: 去跑海啊 07/14 21:59
→ wzmildf: 找不到其他工作的話這就叫做剛好而已 07/14 21:59
推 as555: 申請國外cs碩 07/14 21:59
推 LincolnBoy: 1 轉cs出國 07/14 22:00
推 jerrythebest: 去電子五哥啊 07/14 22:03
推 vinex518: 不要選GG 把缺給其他需要的人 07/14 22:05
噓 capriphoenix: 你都有 GG offer 了,失業個屁啊? 07/14 22:07
推 apolloapollo: 機械沒設備就要偷笑了 07/14 22:07
噓 etbbs: 這種心態在國營也是很難混 07/14 22:09
推 MachiQ: 台灣現況就這樣QQ 出國唯一解了 07/14 22:12
→ bear753951: 台大電資都不一定進的去矽谷coding了,機械想進去... 07/14 22:13
推 aria0520: 樓上不好說XDDD 07/14 22:15
→ aria0520: 申請ME或Robotic碩 修一堆CS學分 專題 就轉型結束了 07/14 22:17
推 Armuu: 雖然GG製程很賽 但沒有設備賽 07/14 22:17
→ aria0520: 接下來要做的就是開刷leetcode 07/14 22:17
→ aria0520: 認識的還沒聽說過轉失敗的 畢竟台大本來智商就比較高 07/14 22:17
→ ts01049212: 我覺得你還是不要去GG好了 不然做一陣子你一定會覺得 07/14 22:19
→ ts01049212: 懷才不遇 07/14 22:19
推 NFT003: 中科薄膜設備推薦嗎 07/14 22:19
推 xsoar: 血統是迷思,112實在普通 07/14 22:20
噓 retard444: 機械不是設備就該偷笑了 07/14 22:21
→ invidia: 為啥機械可以去製程 07/14 22:23
→ retard444: 台大機械讀完去GG設備 跟逢甲機械讀完去GG設備 好像都 07/14 22:23
→ retard444: 一樣 07/14 22:23
噓 o760823: 系所的問題 07/14 22:23
→ retard444: 設備跟製程一樣屎 都免洗 進去在學就會了 應該說台灣大 07/14 22:25
→ retard444: 部分工作進去學就會了 07/14 22:25
推 shortghost: 不懂 gg裡面也很多112純血啊 看你要怎樣人生吧 07/14 22:26
推 aria0520: 製程其實要求是理工碩阿 沒有所謂的為啥機械可以去製程 07/14 22:33
→ aria0520: 只是因為設備需要機械 所以GG都會把機械給設備優先拿 07/14 22:34
→ aria0520: 然後原PO還有個選項 如果是控制組的話 也可以走韌體 07/14 22:35
推 HEEROYUYWING: 112在GG隨便走都會撞到 會上來問的 不用自以爲很特 07/14 22:37
→ HEEROYUYWING: 別 07/14 22:37
推 jkl852: 直接去國營也做不下去的 07/14 22:37
→ jkl852: 肯定都要先去gg消磨掉心志之後去國營才待得下去 07/14 22:37
推 gosling1019: 當然台積 我們教授超想進去輪班XD 07/14 22:38
噓 cityhunter04: 自己以為自己很厲害.......... 07/14 22:39
推 squard: 教授才不會去GG當小螺絲丁。 07/14 22:39
推 jkl852: 教授唬爛你也信.... 07/14 22:39
推 jerrychuang: 要薪水高,只能GG或是design house,但design house 07/14 22:40
→ jerrychuang: 一流的也卡電資,機械要走這條只能先蹲著,所以GG算 07/14 22:40
→ jerrychuang: 簡單解 07/14 22:40
→ jerrychuang: 不缺錢的就可以追求理想啦.不過10年後要有看著同期的 07/14 22:41
推 p013080: 先去GG,且戰且走,還年輕 07/14 22:41
→ jerrychuang: FB,心裡淌血的準備 07/14 22:41
推 lyle60317: 我朋友116機械學士畢直接進外商也是過百給你參考 07/14 22:43
→ henrk: 台大理工也不敢講系,內行都知道台大很多野雞系所的 07/14 22:44
推 aria0520: 沒出國轉CS 第一年就可以看著同期的FB淌血了 07/14 22:46
推 WomanizerNo7: 機械有製程還不珍惜 沒叫你去設備不錯了 07/14 22:46
→ aria0520: 不管你是去GG還是賽進一線豬屎屋 都得淌血 07/14 22:46
→ aria0520: 如果真的把錢看的很重 那沒有任何留台灣的選項 07/14 22:48
推 juichangkuo: 學歷有點普通,如果能力不出眾,只能這樣了 07/14 22:50
噓 pennyfox: 純噓心態與瞧不起其他行業的錯誤觀念. 07/14 22:51
推 Daniel1116: 世界二流的大學進世界一流的半導體公司有很浪費嗎? 07/14 22:51
→ llll1: 我還以為在反串勒 07/14 22:52
推 soooooooo: 就算你去1 也要存錢阿 07/14 22:56
噓 rul284dl: 哈哈機械哈哈 給你製程沒給設備就不錯了,還嫌阿! 我建 07/14 22:59
→ rul284dl: 議是賣肝輪班拉 07/14 22:59
推 clamperni: 世界的GG 07/14 23:00
推 moonth66: 建議去台積電 爽賺 ! 07/14 23:00
推 jeffting0306: 118材料學碩 跪求內推 07/14 23:01
噓 Godmyfriend: 確實浪費 建議推掉offer 走1前途無量 07/14 23:03
噓 Partition: 會問這種問題,還是乖乖去製程好了 07/14 23:08
推 Man: 如果真的是人才就自己創業吧 07/14 23:12
→ pupucar: 發炎充滿騎士,然後我這個不會那個也不太行所以怎樣怎樣 07/14 23:21
→ pupucar: ,不愧是純血,讚讚 07/14 23:21
推 secret16745: 請問是做MEMS的嗎,不然怎有製程offer 07/14 23:21
推 qwe080969: 112還純血去當製程真的很可惜,沒有什麼發展性,覺得你 07/14 23:22
→ qwe080969: 可以有更好的! 07/14 23:22
推 badid: 笑死,機械也敢叫自己純血,台大機械比交大電子分數低多了 07/14 23:23
→ qwe080969: Sorry…沒看到是機械QQ 07/14 23:24
→ badid: 台大森林、台大哲學純血有很屌嗎? 07/14 23:24
→ nishikawa: 建議去GG待個3~5年,有錢有經驗之後再考慮下一步吧 07/14 23:24
噓 Linares: 你朋友覺得浪費請叫他給你建議啊,他真的懂機械嗎,不要 07/14 23:25
→ Linares: 光看薪水講浪費這種鳥話 07/14 23:25
推 aria0520: 純血的定義就是同校學碩啊 沒問題把 你想的話也可以說 07/14 23:25
→ aria0520: 自己大葉純血啊 07/14 23:25
推 littleaoc: 1 07/14 23:25
推 aria0520: 然後要說分數的話 台大機械分數還比交大資工高多了呢 07/14 23:29
→ aria0520: 但發展能比嗎 只能說當初選台大機械的很多是資訊不平衡 07/14 23:29
→ aria0520: 被騙進去了 07/14 23:29
→ aria0520: 當然後我說的不包含對機械有愛的朋友們 07/14 23:30
推 illidan23: 1啦 07/14 23:32
噓 HardyJJ: 說老實話,如果不是很缺錢不要去GG蹲 07/14 23:32
→ frog79110: 毛太多了 07/14 23:37
推 pooboy01: 機械沒打入設備就算祖先保佑 07/14 23:38
→ pooboy01: 雖然也是產線三寶其一 07/14 23:38
推 qwe080969: 想法同樓上A大,當初高中選擇校系真的對往後就業發展等 07/14 23:39
→ qwe080969: 等很不透明,很多人都是讀到大學快畢業研究所才知道讀 07/14 23:39
→ qwe080969: 錯系,像我讀材料現在也很後悔QQ 07/14 23:39
→ pooboy01: 我只想說逢甲進設備台大進設備 逢甲CP值超高的 07/14 23:41
噓 leoz69927: 屈就什麼碗糕?有本事就去國外咩 07/14 23:44
→ leoz69927: 如果你進gg這種心態沒被電爆才怪 07/14 23:45
推 waterjade: 要錢就GG或海邊蘋果派駐 要生活就車廠國營 07/14 23:50
→ waterjade: 不然外語能力練好一點出國工作 07/14 23:51
推 codehard: 當保全啊 上班度估等下班就有錢領 沒事幹就讀英文 上網 07/14 23:57
→ codehard: 跟妹喇賽尬熱舞團 隨便烙幾句英文 睡幾個台妹 肚子搞大 07/14 23:57
→ codehard: 了就結婚叫她養你 這樣什麼都有了 夫富何求 07/14 23:57
→ gauss5566: 機械就是這樣 沒救了 07/14 23:58
推 GALA256: GG撐五年再出來考國營公職 07/14 23:58
→ cool9203: 可以先自學coding,台大純血的自學能力我相信可以的 07/15 00:05
噓 truegodchild: 屈就? 07/15 00:05
噓 smile12372: 純血到底有什麼了不起 GG肯收你就偷笑了 07/15 00:17
→ pupucar: 不對稱什麼的,選擇都是自己選的成年人對自己的選擇負責 07/15 00:26
→ pupucar: 好嗎 07/15 00:26
推 sammnbv: 當廢物比較好 人生才不用這麼痛苦喔 07/15 00:30
→ qu3899: 你心態有點問題 07/15 00:34
推 aowen: 選錯系什麼血有差麼…快去填輪班表吧… 07/15 00:39
推 hellogym: GG這麼好還不去 我朋友做個幾年 最近要簽amg GT 4door新 07/15 00:45
→ hellogym: 車了 500萬起跳阿 看財力多強 07/15 00:45
推 york5york5: 學長好,製程上了幫內推一下(跪) 07/15 00:48
推 aria0520: 高中生選系的時候應該是都還沒成年啦xdd 07/15 00:50
推 ttgg: 感覺教授薪水比國營主管少 在那邊酸 07/15 01:08
→ vickymw: 屈就?你以為你什麼咖?你能不能勝任都還未知數咧 07/15 01:18
推 kissa0924307: 你還是認命一點去GG啦 台大機械純血根本在主管眼中 07/15 01:18
→ kissa0924307: 普普而已 07/15 01:19
→ tearcolor: 機械認命+1 台灣沒有高階機械產業 薪水都不會高 07/15 01:23
推 EricTao: 有本事就出國 考慮屁喔 07/15 01:28
推 wbreeze: 機械不去gg就下去 管你純不純血 07/15 01:29
→ ACDC69: 海邊練腳力 07/15 01:45
推 nick65415: 去日本機械產業還不錯 07/15 01:49
→ matyih: LC燃燒生命就算了 學新的語言都覺得難還是別走這條 07/15 02:09
→ avgirl: 選擇比努力重要R...... 07/15 02:24
→ avgirl: 但你沒錢選擇就是有限~ 07/15 02:24
→ avgirl: 就去GG阿,反正都是賺過水錢,有錢你才能做其他事 07/15 02:25
噓 SMDB: 自命清高? 07/15 02:39
推 lolo0129: 你如果知道有技術學院插大考台科二技後升台大機械碩然後 07/15 04:07
→ lolo0129: 一畢業就在豬屎屋幹AE之類的 然後破百一點點 應該會氣到 07/15 04:09
→ lolo0129: 吐血 07/15 04:09
→ lolo0129: 對了 他碩論好像掛羊頭賣狗肉是電資的題目 ~~~~~ 07/15 04:12
推 CYCUTalker: 現在H1b審很嚴 最好不要ME或robotic碩然後找CS工作... 07/15 04:27
推 ed78617: 聽說過有人先找個碩班待,和老闆說好不研究只刷題,然後 07/15 04:48
→ ed78617: 一邊申請cs碩的 07/15 04:48
推 jatj: 現在codding一直徵人哪有飽和...你學長井底之蛙 07/15 05:23
推 yyvvzz: 沒想過創業 聰明人到別人公司上班都是浪費啊 07/15 07:20
推 MAGICMCGRADY: 美國轉念robotic 07/15 07:24
推 att409: 112機械能去台積it 07/15 07:26
推 MAGICMCGRADY: 自駕車在美國超夯 07/15 07:28
推 mecca: 當然快進GG 趁還有幾年好光景撈一撈閃人玩耍 07/15 07:44
推 wu128pcman: 進國營 刷副業 屌打 07/15 07:48
推 accin: 機械所 撿角了+1 07/15 08:21
噓 warden259: 沒工作家裡蹲最浪費 07/15 08:22
推 accin: 這學歷已經封頂了 到GG幹那事兒 挺浪費的辣 07/15 08:27
推 jej: 純血就要去捐血啊! ?這和本版有啥關係 捐血當職業挺好的 07/15 08:32
噓 kooplz: zzzz 07/15 08:37
噓 assassin762: 機械 07/15 08:39
→ neoa01: 先定義何謂屈就 0rz 07/15 08:41
→ haha98: 機械有啥意外的 讀之前不知道?? 可憐 07/15 08:44
→ qazedcrfv: 自己創業開公司? 07/15 08:46
→ flysonics: 有沒考慮過去機械外商當FAE累積經驗啊 設備是蠻浪費的 07/15 08:56
推 GoldX5: 你好像有點誤會,台大畢業起薪沒百萬的人也很多啊 07/15 08:59
噓 godbye45: 雖然小弟也不喜歡GG的各種風氣 但你說屈就zzz 你以 07/15 08:59
→ godbye45: 為人家非收你不可嗎.... 07/15 08:59
→ GoldX5: 不用這麼悲觀,機械的確辛苦但也不是沒路走 07/15 09:00
推 lp123gbaj: 當然是賣雞排當雞排設備工程師 還可以學以致用 07/15 09:00
噓 yasea2004: id.. 07/15 09:15
推 bettybuy: 當然是去國營耍廢 07/15 09:18
→ etahsif: 不然你去google,apple應徵看看怎麼樣 07/15 09:21
推 rex73: 機械所...真的沒在設備就要偷笑了 07/15 09:22
推 WarriorBogut: 學長好 製程 設備求內推 07/15 09:25
噓 xSAUCEx: 反串? 07/15 09:34
推 vinaykon: 純血112又怎樣?機械?下面一位 … 07/15 09:34
推 thuko8652: 笑了 自學coding去矽谷 真的超像反串 07/15 09:34
→ shiun1017: 學校純 科系不純 07/15 10:02
噓 joe851102: ㄏㄏ台大能去化工材料偏要選一個機械 07/15 10:08
→ joe851102: 沒給你設備就該偷笑了 07/15 10:08
推 few: 不懂這種程度的學歷可以稱屈就的原因為何... 07/15 10:16
推 piolet: 小廟容不下大佛 07/15 10:30
→ lassladeasd: ...沒人推重考醫牙?我同學純血碩上國立醫 07/15 10:46
推 aria0520: 化工材料跟機械的處境差不多啊 電資以外都一樣啦 07/15 10:53
→ lgsgameps2: 化工材料機械在台灣差不多啦,去讀中字輩電資出來 07/15 10:54
→ lgsgameps2: 包準比你現在好很多,電資就是王道 07/15 10:55
→ diablo38: 有能力就自己出來開公司 沒有就自己看是選興趣還是要選 07/15 12:07
→ diablo38: 錢多 07/15 12:07
→ kevin77884: 沒辦法出國的話 轉四大電資碩吧 不難吧你願不願意而已 07/15 12:10
→ kevin77884: 看過一堆112學士研究所非台大不念不願意去清交成的 07/15 12:11
→ kevin77884: 現在一線IC廠的門檻沒那麼高了 私大學+四大碩都能進去 07/15 12:15
→ kevin77884: 112理工資質 就算不是本科系 要追上並不難 07/15 12:16
噓 j0938926004: 心態 07/15 12:23
噓 vector210: 拿出讀書人的傲氣 寧願餓死 不屈就啊 07/15 12:40
噓 shooter555: 純血碩英文不是很好是怎麼回事? 07/15 12:57
推 Satansblessi: 所以才機械啊 純血英文國文好就電機醫科XD 07/15 14:19
→ Satansblessi: 純噓屈就 別看不起全球最強代工! 07/15 14:20
噓 bluenova: 笑死人,這麼愛念台大就給你爽阿,畢業後發現其他學校電 07/15 15:06
→ bluenova: 資出路比你好覺得很可惜嗎?自己衡量好好還債吧 07/15 15:06
推 JasonIm: 建議唸博 07/15 15:35
噓 shenmue1001: 太委屈了 出國吧 07/15 15:57
噓 hoothoot: 說浪費? 除了學歷 你有什麼特別技能可以說嘴的 連英文 07/15 16:00
→ hoothoot: 都不好了 07/15 16:00
噓 applebob: 屈就?太高估自己還是不懂得謙虛 07/15 16:35
噓 storz1197: 沒給你設備算你運氣好了哦 07/15 17:29
噓 st930617: 什麼都別人說 你有自己想過嗎 07/15 18:18
推 Lorekeeper: 鬼島機械就GG設備 製程薪水能看呀 07/15 18:48
噓 gj942l41l4: 屈就三小 你先隨便選一份吧 磨個兩年你才適合出社會 07/15 19:32
→ Demonic1013: 製程和設備都比較適合奴性重的人,你朋友的想法不錯 07/15 19:34
推 simpleplanya: 反串ㄇ 07/15 19:34
噓 darkMood: 笑死 07/15 19:39
→ maplefog: 念博班 再想辦法去boston dynamics 07/15 19:52
噓 azzc1031: 屈就xdd 講得自己好搶手一樣咧 07/15 21:18
噓 asecw: 乖乖去工具機或許能撈到,你想賺錢又不敢冒險 07/15 22:05
噓 asecw: 就一堆愛說化工比機械好啊,明明一樣慘 07/15 22:06
→ cook321: 碩士畢業才要學coding 07/16 00:14
噓 BarryBai: 身為一個純血台大生還不會找自己的人生方向,真的都不 07/16 02:03
→ BarryBai: 忍噓你了 07/16 02:03
噓 mathrew: 屈就? 你以為去矽谷就有人要你? 你以為國營你考的上? 07/16 06:03
推 avrililoveyo: 原來coding 07/16 08:08
噓 obrag: 驕傲個屁 廢物 07/16 08:35
噓 tomsonking: 我也純血啊 GG 滿地都純血 你有事嗎小學弟 07/16 10:57
噓 tomsonking: 不過你機械來gg 除了設備外其他你都會很辛苦 因為你 07/16 11:03
→ tomsonking: 不會 你以為中字輩電機碩會比你弱? 07/16 11:03
噓 StNeverRush: 純血 學歷都只是自傲而已 出社會有能力的人才不局限 07/16 11:45
→ StNeverRush: 在這種小框框 真的是學生仔才會在那邊純不純血 07/16 11:46
→ orange76525: 重考啊,回去念商學院從商如何 07/16 14:55
噓 bestmoe: 你超適合去製程 07/16 20:28
噓 NUKnigel: 河河 07/17 07:17
→ yesido330: 從商要靠爸好嗎~ 07/17 10:37
噓 gugeegee: ASML試試看啊 07/18 11:46
推 h2601983: 好奇問,到底是哪個組 07/19 11:21
噓 assassin762: 廢物機械 07/06 01:33
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