台積電最先進製程會留台灣 因為薪水低 - 工程師
By Anthony
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很多訊息都是錯誤或是故意誤導,
剛好我曾經在Chandler AZ 工作一陣子,
就在台積電那附近,
當然我不會承認我是因為有裁員危機所以去Chandler AZ 工作一陣子,
那都是十幾年前的事情了
先回應QQmickey說的,
台積電在美國給的薪水 以AZ當地的物價 算上等,
glassdoor tsmc engineer $133,570,
就像台灣一直在戰文組薪水跟ptt年薪300萬台幣起跳一樣,
美國不是全部的人都在FAANG工作,
大部分的美國人就跟台灣的大部分人一樣,
有文組有服務業有商業有工程業等...,
美國99%的人薪水都低於$133,570,
台積電在AZ當地的薪水只有Intel 可以比拼,
其他的各行各業99%都輸這薪資,
然後當地獨棟房或是SFH別墅房價大致在4x萬美金左右,
前一兩年我叫大家去買的時候只有30萬美金左右,
當然這一兩年漲幅還是輸台灣,
你用房貸試算表一算,
一個月大概繳2xxx美金,
薪水稅後一個月大概6xxx美金,
所以可以一個人在AZ 養一棟SFH別墅+一台賓士+一個家庭開銷,
還可以存錢,
唯一的缺點就是生活無聊又沒有捷運跟夜市,
台灣尤其是大都市長大的人會不習慣,
我這種從小騎山豬的就覺得回到小時候的環境
至於CNN 說的"台灣 因為薪水低素質高",
這是故意誤導把事實說一半,
事實的真相就是美國中國的硬體業沒救了!!!
我在板上每一篇文章一定會說我一直被裁員,
薪水低於swe new grad,
這樣還不知道問題在哪裡嗎?
問題就是美國硬體業就是這樣的薪水,
1x萬的年薪, 最多最資深最高位就只有到2x萬年薪,
但是隨便一個軟體公司的sw new grad,
剛畢業21歲就可以拿到2x萬的年薪,
硬體業做了二三十年搞不好都沒有這樣的薪水,
還要天天擔心被裁員,
所以美國跟中國,
年輕畢業生都不願意去硬體產業,
如果真的找不到工作也沒有經濟壓力的話,
都寧願去補習班刷題在家找工作兩三年,
因為只要能夠刷進軟體公司當swe,
薪資馬上遠勝硬體公司二三十年的年資,
更慘的是如果有經濟壓力先去硬體公司工作,
職業生涯被貼上標籤,
就很難再找swe 的工作,
你看我之前的文章就知道,
美國中國都一樣,
所以要做硬體業你就留在台灣就好, 薪資也比較好,
美國硬體公司能夠給到FAANG等級薪水的大概只剩Nvidia,
但是Nvidia自己也不承認自己是硬體公司,
Nvidia 對外也都宣稱自己是AI Software Company,
所以就像CNN說的,
如果美國中國的軟硬體薪資架構跟福利不平衡沒有調整的話,
台積電只會跟對手越拉越遠, 領先越多而已
※ 引述《QQmickey (廢文製造機)》之銘言:
: 這個我就要靠腰了 以台灣的物價 其實台積電薪水比任何產業都高 待遇也很好
: 你不要整天換匯在那算 記者的水準很低落
: 你知道台積電到美國給的薪水 以當地的物價 其實算中等
: ※ 引述《keel90135 (尼可)》之銘言:
: : https://tinyurl.com/56j5e6c7
: : CNN訪專家:台積電最先進製程會留台灣 因為薪水低素質高
: : 李寧怡
: : 2022年12月10日 週六 下午3:29
: : 台積電赴美國亞利桑那州設廠,美國總統拜登、蘋果執行長庫克本週均出席移機典禮,顯
: : 示美國對於確保晶片由本土供應的重視,但在台灣引發「矽盾」不保的疑慮。CNN引述專
: : 家指出,台積電會將最先進技術留在台灣,因為台灣薪水低、人力素質高,而且晶片技術
: : 的研發團隊須緊密合作,難以外移。
: : 美國總統拜登(中)6日與台積電董事長劉德音(左)和執行長魏哲家出席亞利桑那州晶
: : 片廠移機典禮。路透社
: : 美國有線電視新聞網(CNN)報導,晶片業調查機構TechInsights半導體經濟學家赫奇森
: : (Dan Hutcheson)比喻台積電是全球現存最大的45.52克拉藍鑽「希望之鑽」,「人人都
: : 想要」。「中國客戶希望他們(台積電)在當地設廠,美國客戶希望他們在當地設廠,歐
: : 洲客戶也希望他們在當地設廠。」赫奇森說。
: : 報導指,赫奇森說:台積電製造全球90%以上的超先進晶片,對全球經濟至關重要,也被
: : 視為台灣的國家珍寶,甚至可扮演防範中國侵台的「矽盾」角色,是西方國家保衛台灣的
: : 強烈誘因。
: : CNN也報導了民眾黨立委邱臣遠5日質詢外交部長吳釗燮,稱台美雙方據傳簽訂了「半導體
: : 秘密協定」,質疑台積電是在政治壓力下赴美設廠。吳釗燮斬釘截鐵回答台美沒有簽訂秘
: : 密協議,也沒有「半導體去台化」疑慮。
: : 法商東方匯理銀行台灣分公司研究部門主管Patrick Chen向CNN表示,台灣人很關注台積
: : 電在國際間的重要性,以及它面臨的擴張壓力。
: : 台積電創辦人張忠謀曾表示,亞利桑那州的晶圓廠將生產3奈米晶片,引起部份人士的擔
: : 憂。不過台積電更先進的2奈米晶片預計將於2025年量產。
: : Patrick Chen認為,台積電最先進的晶片仍會留在台灣製造,「單從經濟角度而言就很合
: : 理,因為台灣勞工薪水較低,工程師素質又高」。而且台灣先進產業到海外設廠須通過經
: : 濟部核准,最先進製程若要移往海外,勢必過不了關。
: : 赫奇森也認為,台積電會將最先進製程留在台灣,原因是晶片製程研發非常困難,團隊必
: : 須緊密合作,若移往海外,團隊合作會受到干擾,「沒人希望這種事發生」。
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