好像這一天會來:工科超越醫科 - 工程師

By Queena
at 2023-02-03T03:22
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Table of Contents
認真討論,不是戰學歷。
醫科最後要做的routine:
問診 - 開藥 - 開刀
前幾年,deep learning 火熱時,
醫療這塊領域被討論的最多。
但是沒有一個實例讓人更近一步看到下一個階段。
一些聊天機器人,罐頭式的回應更是潑人冷水…
但是今天的 ChatGPT, 它的表現好到驚人。
「問診-開藥」,交給AI來做看起來是沒有問題的。
只要國際組織能訂出嚴格的標準,
通過標準規範的AI才能執業,
就不再需要那麼多的一線醫生,
也不會再有藥廠黑絲女業務陪老爹玩了。
喔
我是唐龍,不是唐鳳。
所以我不會想到用AI點麵線。
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醫科最後要做的routine:
問診 - 開藥 - 開刀
前幾年,deep learning 火熱時,
醫療這塊領域被討論的最多。
但是沒有一個實例讓人更近一步看到下一個階段。
一些聊天機器人,罐頭式的回應更是潑人冷水…
但是今天的 ChatGPT, 它的表現好到驚人。
「問診-開藥」,交給AI來做看起來是沒有問題的。
只要國際組織能訂出嚴格的標準,
通過標準規範的AI才能執業,
就不再需要那麼多的一線醫生,
也不會再有藥廠黑絲女業務陪老爹玩了。
喔
我是唐龍,不是唐鳳。
所以我不會想到用AI點麵線。
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By Hedda
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By Kama
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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指揮交通)出錯出事誰負責?只要它的失誤率比人類
還低到某個程度你是不是就自動接受它了

By Catherine
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By Ida
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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的藥物,早就已經可以被取代,藥師也是一樣

By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2023-02-08T20:27
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類固醇就抗生素,說AI不能取代誰信

By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Enid
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By Brianna
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炎腹膜炎甚至是RAA,AI可以做PE嗎?XDD

By Christine
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By Eartha
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By Edward Lewis
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代,反之需要有「溫度」的工作會更有價值及職場需求
。

By Ida
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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要取代第一線的家醫科和urgent care 技術上應該是
做的到了

By Franklin
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By Harry
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By Quanna
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取代醫科XDD

By Franklin
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跟你說其實只是吃壞肚子,然後被健保砍XDDD

By Edith
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了。

By Faithe
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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年 看起來真急。美國上個月才剛通過一個法律 就是L4
以上自駕車如果出車禍 由車廠負責 乘客不用負責。
都醫界也有類似的法律訂出來 有賺頭的話 一定會有人
想做的

By Enid
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By Joe
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By Hedda
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的問題

By George
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醫檢查排除。這種東西電腦比人腦強多了好嗎。只是做

By Jake
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By George
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被取代。

By Mia
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By Freda
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By Megan
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By Todd Johnson
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final diagnosis 對吧

By Jack
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科醫師自己都有自殺的案例。

By Audriana
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自殺風險評估?

By Selena
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?
不知道就不要引戰 很難看

By Donna
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By Daph Bay
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By Oscar
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自殺或自傷之虞

By Jacob
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殺風險的病人?

By Edith
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By Xanthe
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By Delia
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判斷還比只看過幾個病人的醫生更準, 還不能完全取
代, 但未來能大幅減少醫師數量是肯定的~ 大概就只
留搞研究跟做精密手術的醫生吧~

By Gary
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法讓自己不自殺?

By Tom
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中尋找資訊去評估個案?AI又如何逕行心理治療?

By Catherine
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By Kumar
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By Irma
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By Caitlin
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時間軸 從而分析個案本身的精神病理學是如何 AI做的
到嗎?

By Oscar
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怎麼看都是在吹牛

By Megan
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還是有咎責的問題,你就別幻想了。

By Agnes
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Lucy
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照有什麼用?咦等等,好像真的沒用

By Rae
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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料哪裡來的?有chatGPT根本沒用。而且你根本不懂醫
療器材相關法律多嚴格,才會說出這樣的空談。

By Jack
at 2023-02-08T20:27
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毛病,都是盡可能賺錢是有比AI高尚到哪去?

By Quintina
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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,沒那麼單純。

By Gilbert
at 2023-02-08T20:27
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咳嗽症狀,請問是什麼病? 用AI根本做不到。

By Jessica
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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賊,誰敢在法院作證是醫療疏失?

By Edith
at 2023-02-08T20:27
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沒那麼多疑問了。你有辦法取得證,就能在醫院用,責
任問題就是醫院與醫生。只有:1.你沒辦法賣給任何人
。2.責任是醫生與醫院,兩個結果。現在的法規,根本
不會有責任分不清楚的狀況。

By Isla
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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中厲害,醫院的"資料"也很碎片化,才是問題。 你看c
hatGPT效果有點像人,先看看別人有多少資料吧。

By Callum
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免

By Kristin
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By Tristan Cohan
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心跳,聲音,怎麼可能只用問答診斷。光是資料就無法
全部蒐集完整。AI做診斷開藥,真的還差太多太多。

By Gary
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By Caroline
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By Ina
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By Yuri
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By Oscar
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By Hedy
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By Daph Bay
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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,結論是工科醫科一起沒落

By Delia
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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醫生的工作權基本上就小圈圈加法律保障惹

By Necoo
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不然就公司股票胡亂吹爆漲

By Carolina Franco
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會屬於應用面,這一類慢慢會趨近當今軟體工程師,就
只是碼儂

By Sarah
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經驗累積的判斷AI都能做

By Kelly
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By Megan
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的感冒,都會被當成新冠了。

By John
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By Ethan
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By Elvira
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象數據去推理診斷。

By Isabella
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By Hedy
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決定的? 根本是來亂。

By Freda
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大概版上所有人都等不到那天吧

By Audriana
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By Freda
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說用ai分析x光圖斷層圖和抽血報告,都比你問診要有
用多了,問診到底要幹嘛,有些人連自己哪裡不舒服都
講不出來

By Rae
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By Lily
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By Belly
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你所有病人都排CXR KUB CT MRI甚至nuclear?

By Faithe
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By Rae
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醫生或AI有沒有錯 說到底好像一樣?

By Anonymous
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By Olga
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醫生聊聊讓自己不緊張的

By Emma
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真人看診就是多一份安心的感覺

By Erin
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號誌異常有國賠。除非你AI開發商願意出來擔責任…
…要不然別說人民接不接受,開發商都不一定願意這
麼幹。

By Steve
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路啦 然後你就一輩子不要再去找真人我看你能活到什
麼時候 嘻嘻

By Lucy
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護喔?那是藥師吧,你是不是搞錯什麼,老鐵

By Zenobia
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By Oliver
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By Megan
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何況比起醫生,更危險的是法官或法律顧問

By Christine
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By Leila
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By Iris
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才來討論超越吧

By Emma
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By Christine
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By Bethany
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By Olivia
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By Gary
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By Franklin
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By Oliver
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By Tracy
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By Charlie
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By Yedda
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By Queena
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作研究先進醫療、訓練機器人、執行開刀等進階工作

By Cara
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By Damian
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By Isabella
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By Mason
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訊才知道不能把Covid當感冒, 跟餵新資料給AI有啥兩
樣?講得好像所有醫生都能隨時發現世界未知病症,
那每年諾貝爾醫學獎豈不是有數百萬得主?嘻~

By Oliver
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By Emma
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By Joseph
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By Charlotte
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XDDDD

By Tracy
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ion? 當你覺得好像是又好像不是的時候你如何下order
?

By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Odelette
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工科都自認不如醫科了,別在那邊反串了

By Erin
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擔心drug-drug interactions 的話查app就好

By Sarah
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By Noah
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By Andrew
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每個人都要檢查的話 成本以及等待時間會如何

By Poppy
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費醫生聯合起來工程師就收200倍費用我看工程師能不
能囂張

By James
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症工程師敢不看

By Edward Lewis
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By Eartha
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還醫生聯合起來抬價咧~ XDD 削價競爭搶病人才是現
實

By Kelly
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By Dinah
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賺得比醫生還多。

By Kristin
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By Thomas
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By Harry
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By Elvira
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我想八成都會秒選醫科

By Yedda
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By George
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By Doris
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搞行銷~ 就某人在裝鴕鳥

By Kama
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By Noah
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By Ina
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漲價咧

By Cara
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By Kyle
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嗎?不懂就不要裝懂 十分難看

By Jacky
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By David
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Connor
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By Gilbert
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By Eden
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By Connor
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By Edward Lewis
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By Blanche
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By Quintina
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By Bethany
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話那你希望你的生命是由AI決定還是醫生?光是這點你
就無法突破了這是一種天生的障礙幾乎不可能被突破你
們說的那些都是就很膚淺的部位在討論而且還有太多關
鍵的知識從來都沒有公諸於世過!過度自信只會讓人不
知道天高地厚罷了!

By Olga
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原來一堆人理工人連基本統計與AI原理都不懂。

By Aaliyah
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By Michael
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就在亂討論了。

By Donna
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By Irma
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By Lydia
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By Todd Johnson
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By Agatha
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By Annie
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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不是依靠技術的在打削價競爭
但是動手術的年年在上漲lol

By William
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By Rosalind
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By Hedda
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就巨嬰, 哭著要政府擋國外留學醫生限額不准開放競
爭, 看來真的很怕要削價跟人搶餅~

By Sierra Rose
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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才那麼悲憤 XDD

By Ina
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連中文都看不懂了嘻嘻

By Kumar
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藥,不要浪費健保資源。

By Elizabeth
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之前在美國當窮學生就這樣幹的。然後居然有人以為
這樣就可以取代醫生了

By Daph Bay
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By Gilbert
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By Agnes
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哪有那麼無聊整天在那分高低

By Emily
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By Sarah
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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不能做到60歲都是個問題。能提早財富自由的工程師也
就在那幾間公司而已,又不像醫生升主治穩穩領300+萬
到退休。

By Madame
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By Olive
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現在可能也有點這樣了

By Genevieve
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By Emily
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By Charlie
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核刪誰負責XD

By Anthony
at 2023-02-04T21:52
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被超車了,景氣不好的時候更直接被按在地上摩擦,

By Dinah
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By Odelette
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By Dora
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By Ophelia
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觸診和聽診、視覺觀察,AI遲早能夠取代醫師看診。
反駁者只是不夠了解AI運作的模式而已。

By Rae
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By Caitlin
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By Andy
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到時手術費/醫藥費不管再貴你只能乖乖吞下去

By Hardy
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By Jacky
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By Oscar
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By Emma
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是合作和利用
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