好好的股票分紅被搞到取消~ - 工程師
By Audriana
at 2015-04-29T22:34
at 2015-04-29T22:34
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※ 引述《siriusc (土豪)》之銘言:
: 其實本版的第14篇 LKO大大的文章就很明白的解說了
: 什麼是分紅費用化
: 結論就是 潮水一退 發現一堆公司都沒穿褲子
: 如果股票照市值認列 eps根本是負的
: 只想用票面價來坑殺股東
: 外資 投資人又不是笨蛋...
: 建議先讀完那篇 再來討論吧
: 不然每次看到有人根本不知道分紅費用化是啥就在亂帶風向
: 有夠無言
都說分紅現金是正確制度,的確!
但臺灣的老闆就是有臺灣的玩法,
在發股票的年代,尚未成長,低潮的公司有機會用較低的成本留住人才,力圖一搏,
每年分了員工股票,員工為股東奮戰,
你賠錢了嗎?你當股東的決策力有因為員工的配股增加或減低嗎,公司的決策者依然是決
策者,小投資人還是看著帳面上的股票價值盤算損益,但卻造就了人才願留在二線公司,
心甘情願做牛做馬就為了明年的分紅股票,或是自己手上現股股價奮鬥。這是一個沒有後
顧之憂的環境與報酬。
2008前,中小型科技業一片欣欣向榮。
聯發科晨星等企業,一堆都是從此時開始立基。一開始沒股票憑什麼要這些值得更好的人
才脫離聯電一起奮鬥?
然後為了課這些血汗工程師的稅金,費用分紅化開始,
多數大股東不願稀釋自己的權益,選擇現金分紅,
但又捨不得拿出現金,
以雙貓來說,基層工程師年薪從可達兩百萬瞬間縮水成60萬,是啊他前幾年沒賺錢是怎
麼發現金?啊不然這兩年開始賺錢是多發了嗎?彌補虧損?所以才說股票的發放對於成長
中,低潮中的公司是必要的。
200萬早上八點操你到晚上12點,好啊我留守公司,
60萬,從早上八點操到晚上12點,你是人才你要留嗎?吃屎好嗎?
沒發到現金分紅,沒有發到股票參與未來可能的公司成長,有什麼理由為了它任勞任怨,
無後顧之憂的奮鬥
於是還沒成長的三線公司下等資質的人往正在緩慢成長二線廠跑,以求更高的月薪,
二線公司的普通人才往蓬勃成長一線公司跑,圖穩定多少拿一點現金紅利,一線公司的高
級人才往國外ㄧ二線公司跑,因為即使是二線廠,他們給的是臺灣的3-5倍。
然後三線公司沒錢發沒人去,倒了,
二線公司普通人才,到了一線公司,只剩庸才,成長漸趨緩慢,股價開始往下
一線公司的高級人才,跑去國外效力,用在臺灣學到的經驗帶領對手逐漸成長,然後雙貓
就被打趴了。
什麼?你說台積聯發科還是很好?
台積基層工程師年薪比起分發股票時,少說縮水2-3倍
聯發科更是狠狠的縮了5-6倍,
你是華碩高級人才,幹嘛不去華為中興領5倍人民幣?
你是聯發科人才,你幹嘛不去高通,塞
賽靈斯,Altera領美金?
你是聯電人才,你跑到台積電了,
你是台積人才,格羅方德三星發三倍甚至以上,你還是去了。
一個經理帶走一個團隊所在多聞,
有一個梁孟松,絕少不了第二第三個。
藉著雞毛當令箭,老闆不發股票說共體時艱拿少點
於是可以走的人才走了,
走不了的人才領不到相對報酬的薪水怠惰了,
公司競爭力往下了,賺的更少了,
對手趕上了,
股價往下了,
股東的持股賠錢了,
政府也課不到血汗窮忙工程師的錢。
喊著不公不義大股東們的要不要看看持股公司有多少強敵環繞,股價創新高了沒?
一個制度,三方皆輸
還不如維持原有的錯誤制度保留人才力圖一搏。
有子龍可以用,何必廖化當先鋒
你說不是每個工程師都人才?領30k剛好?那去澳洲當服務生就好啦,香蕉還是留給腦
中沒有半導體的猴子吧。
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: 其實本版的第14篇 LKO大大的文章就很明白的解說了
: 什麼是分紅費用化
: 結論就是 潮水一退 發現一堆公司都沒穿褲子
: 如果股票照市值認列 eps根本是負的
: 只想用票面價來坑殺股東
: 外資 投資人又不是笨蛋...
: 建議先讀完那篇 再來討論吧
: 不然每次看到有人根本不知道分紅費用化是啥就在亂帶風向
: 有夠無言
都說分紅現金是正確制度,的確!
但臺灣的老闆就是有臺灣的玩法,
在發股票的年代,尚未成長,低潮的公司有機會用較低的成本留住人才,力圖一搏,
每年分了員工股票,員工為股東奮戰,
你賠錢了嗎?你當股東的決策力有因為員工的配股增加或減低嗎,公司的決策者依然是決
策者,小投資人還是看著帳面上的股票價值盤算損益,但卻造就了人才願留在二線公司,
心甘情願做牛做馬就為了明年的分紅股票,或是自己手上現股股價奮鬥。這是一個沒有後
顧之憂的環境與報酬。
2008前,中小型科技業一片欣欣向榮。
聯發科晨星等企業,一堆都是從此時開始立基。一開始沒股票憑什麼要這些值得更好的人
才脫離聯電一起奮鬥?
然後為了課這些血汗工程師的稅金,費用分紅化開始,
多數大股東不願稀釋自己的權益,選擇現金分紅,
但又捨不得拿出現金,
以雙貓來說,基層工程師年薪從可達兩百萬瞬間縮水成60萬,是啊他前幾年沒賺錢是怎
麼發現金?啊不然這兩年開始賺錢是多發了嗎?彌補虧損?所以才說股票的發放對於成長
中,低潮中的公司是必要的。
200萬早上八點操你到晚上12點,好啊我留守公司,
60萬,從早上八點操到晚上12點,你是人才你要留嗎?吃屎好嗎?
沒發到現金分紅,沒有發到股票參與未來可能的公司成長,有什麼理由為了它任勞任怨,
無後顧之憂的奮鬥
於是還沒成長的三線公司下等資質的人往正在緩慢成長二線廠跑,以求更高的月薪,
二線公司的普通人才往蓬勃成長一線公司跑,圖穩定多少拿一點現金紅利,一線公司的高
級人才往國外ㄧ二線公司跑,因為即使是二線廠,他們給的是臺灣的3-5倍。
然後三線公司沒錢發沒人去,倒了,
二線公司普通人才,到了一線公司,只剩庸才,成長漸趨緩慢,股價開始往下
一線公司的高級人才,跑去國外效力,用在臺灣學到的經驗帶領對手逐漸成長,然後雙貓
就被打趴了。
什麼?你說台積聯發科還是很好?
台積基層工程師年薪比起分發股票時,少說縮水2-3倍
聯發科更是狠狠的縮了5-6倍,
你是華碩高級人才,幹嘛不去華為中興領5倍人民幣?
你是聯發科人才,你幹嘛不去高通,塞
賽靈斯,Altera領美金?
你是聯電人才,你跑到台積電了,
你是台積人才,格羅方德三星發三倍甚至以上,你還是去了。
一個經理帶走一個團隊所在多聞,
有一個梁孟松,絕少不了第二第三個。
藉著雞毛當令箭,老闆不發股票說共體時艱拿少點
於是可以走的人才走了,
走不了的人才領不到相對報酬的薪水怠惰了,
公司競爭力往下了,賺的更少了,
對手趕上了,
股價往下了,
股東的持股賠錢了,
政府也課不到血汗窮忙工程師的錢。
喊著不公不義大股東們的要不要看看持股公司有多少強敵環繞,股價創新高了沒?
一個制度,三方皆輸
還不如維持原有的錯誤制度保留人才力圖一搏。
有子龍可以用,何必廖化當先鋒
你說不是每個工程師都人才?領30k剛好?那去澳洲當服務生就好啦,香蕉還是留給腦
中沒有半導體的猴子吧。
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