我是一個小小桃園消防隊員 - 消防工作討論
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作者: miin777 (無奈的人) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [爆卦] 我是一個小小桃園消防隊員
時間: Fri Jan 23 18:06:53 2015
轉自FB消防肥皂箱
http://goo.gl/DYD37A
#234
我是一個桃園小小基層隊員。
今天我要說的是有關:
新屋火災
6位同仁殉職,大家都不好過。現在風向與輿論一直指責現場湯分隊長、李振坪大隊長,
還有很多要處分的聲音。還有颳起一陣熱顯像儀神話。但是我敢預言,湯分、李大全都處
分過後,全部分隊都有熱顯像儀甚至更好的器材裝備,同樣發生類似新屋火警一樣會有同
仁殉職,而且是帶著顯像儀一起。
現在的輿論就像中古世紀燒女巫,反正只要把過錯推給某個人,把他燒掉世界就恢復和平
了,這樣是不對的,現在的風向,感覺是在復仇,報平日被壓榨、揹鍋處分的仇。
但這整個病態的環境會因此改善嗎?
如果是少數個人的問題,根本不需要做根本原因分析。這次6人殉職,不會是終點,未來
可能還會發生,可能是你,可能是我。
所以,這是系統的問題,消防病了!
首先,前任局長任內,局內長官及同仁也被帶壞了,還是一直在想要上新聞,搏版面,這
陣子不停在準備署評,一天電子通報動輒2、30通,每個通報都要辦理,誰在訓練,有哪
個單位在訓練?訓練科從頭到尾也只會看你的工作紀錄,而在隊訓練的內容,根本沒有優
化,許多單位的器材、裝備、人力,根本沒辦法做在隊訓練。比如說,今天要做圓盤切割
器的訓練,有哪些單位有像樣的鐵捲門,可以模擬破門、降溫、開門流程?以新屋分隊為
例,一天上班8人,一位值班、一個水查或者查察、一個在趕業務資料、兩個出去救護、
一個幹部,在隊訓練怎麼做???這簡直可笑可悲至極!
再說一個新分發的隊員,怎麼叫通過職前訓練,職前訓練的測驗內容:體能:3000公尺跑
走、舉重、伏地挺身、單槓、仰臥起坐、俯臥弓身。技能:6項繩結、橫渡架設、捲揚器
、著裝負重跑、著裝拖帶假人。
先講體能測驗項目,這是中古世紀哪一國的體能啊!!!連測驗項目只看文字根本都看不
懂,以舉重為例。啥舉重,奧林匹克舉重嗎?奧林匹克舉重做的動作爆發上膊跟Snatch
& Jerk的確是非常實用的體能訓練項目,但是很抱歉,這個項目其實是要你拿奧林匹克槓
心,站立手抓槓,抬起過肩,放下跟抓起來手肘都是直的,測驗方式是一分鐘看你能抓起
下。所以測驗目的是???歐美消防員,測驗爆發上膊測驗的是,你最重可以爆發上膊幾
公斤。對照的是你的爆發力有多強。3000公尺跑走,美國是測驗1.5英里跑走,時間量表
是對照你的最大攝氧量L/min.kg。其他項目不多說了,人家是科學化訓練,我們是土法煉
鋼。
技能訓練,這些技能路邊抓起鄉民甲乙丙丁,訓練2天,成績保證嚇嚇叫,但是在桃園這
樣就叫專業消防人員了。
改革絕對不是器材裝備買一買,就叫改革,桃園市消防重視業務,每天電腦桌前總是有同
仁不斷埋頭苦幹,影印機墨水、碳粉夾1-2個月就用光,把作業務的時間,讓大家坐下來
,泡個茶,聊一下如果出勤火災,誰要做什麼事,再實際的去操作一輪,不是更好?
這次火警,突顯出現場安全管制官的失能,其實也不能說失能,而是根本沒有安全管制官
。百思不得其解,為何一條水線會有6位同仁在上面?為何連裡面到底有幾個人是等清理
火場才知道。還突顯出外勤同仁普遍經驗不足,因為火警經驗都集中在特搜隊身上,外勤
跟特搜經驗根本沒有交流。
再來,部分外勤基層真的沒有問題嗎,各單位都有無效警力,有些人上班只會睡覺、體能
不行、技能不行、業務更是不行,只會抱怨業務多。這些老鼠屎,總是長官修理基層的痛
腳,內勤都以為外勤盡是這種人。只要有痛腳抓,抓住痛腳,耍官威、電基層,真正有問
題的人物也不敢處理,人前人後的,噁心。
沒有人是該死的,請不要再有人說為什麼不是哪些人被燒死。
6位殉職同仁,都是非常優秀的,也是因為優秀,才會在裡面,因為老鼠屎們都是不會進
火場的。
再來說的是,新屋火警,前任局長造孽也不小,這間保齡球館,桃園消防進去過的不在少
數,以前新屋分隊的人也不少人進去過,對內部構造算十分熟悉,但是新屋分隊早已在六
年條款及某位退休老鼠屎的黑函,全部都調光了,早都不是熟悉內部的人。
還敢說,同仁相同單位待久會怠勤嗎?怠勤也是因為勤務的編排,怠勤也比殉職強!
最後,桃園消防還是有希望的,胡局長面對媒體質疑為何同仁冒險進入火場時曾說:「他
們絕對不是有勇無謀,他們絕對不是有勇無謀。他們是勇氣可嘉。」也取消了前任局長做
秀的消防之最,還有之前詬病的iTaiwan無線上網的評比,可見他是聽得見大家的聲音的
。6位同仁殉職,大家都很悲憤,但是還是要理性,把過錯只推給某個人去承擔,這是部
分長官慣用伎倆,我們不要學。
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作者: miin777 (無奈的人) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [爆卦] 我是一個小小桃園消防隊員
時間: Fri Jan 23 18:06:53 2015
轉自FB消防肥皂箱
http://goo.gl/DYD37A
#234
我是一個桃園小小基層隊員。
今天我要說的是有關:
新屋火災
6位同仁殉職,大家都不好過。現在風向與輿論一直指責現場湯分隊長、李振坪大隊長,
還有很多要處分的聲音。還有颳起一陣熱顯像儀神話。但是我敢預言,湯分、李大全都處
分過後,全部分隊都有熱顯像儀甚至更好的器材裝備,同樣發生類似新屋火警一樣會有同
仁殉職,而且是帶著顯像儀一起。
現在的輿論就像中古世紀燒女巫,反正只要把過錯推給某個人,把他燒掉世界就恢復和平
了,這樣是不對的,現在的風向,感覺是在復仇,報平日被壓榨、揹鍋處分的仇。
但這整個病態的環境會因此改善嗎?
如果是少數個人的問題,根本不需要做根本原因分析。這次6人殉職,不會是終點,未來
可能還會發生,可能是你,可能是我。
所以,這是系統的問題,消防病了!
首先,前任局長任內,局內長官及同仁也被帶壞了,還是一直在想要上新聞,搏版面,這
陣子不停在準備署評,一天電子通報動輒2、30通,每個通報都要辦理,誰在訓練,有哪
個單位在訓練?訓練科從頭到尾也只會看你的工作紀錄,而在隊訓練的內容,根本沒有優
化,許多單位的器材、裝備、人力,根本沒辦法做在隊訓練。比如說,今天要做圓盤切割
器的訓練,有哪些單位有像樣的鐵捲門,可以模擬破門、降溫、開門流程?以新屋分隊為
例,一天上班8人,一位值班、一個水查或者查察、一個在趕業務資料、兩個出去救護、
一個幹部,在隊訓練怎麼做???這簡直可笑可悲至極!
再說一個新分發的隊員,怎麼叫通過職前訓練,職前訓練的測驗內容:體能:3000公尺跑
走、舉重、伏地挺身、單槓、仰臥起坐、俯臥弓身。技能:6項繩結、橫渡架設、捲揚器
、著裝負重跑、著裝拖帶假人。
先講體能測驗項目,這是中古世紀哪一國的體能啊!!!連測驗項目只看文字根本都看不
懂,以舉重為例。啥舉重,奧林匹克舉重嗎?奧林匹克舉重做的動作爆發上膊跟Snatch
& Jerk的確是非常實用的體能訓練項目,但是很抱歉,這個項目其實是要你拿奧林匹克槓
心,站立手抓槓,抬起過肩,放下跟抓起來手肘都是直的,測驗方式是一分鐘看你能抓起
下。所以測驗目的是???歐美消防員,測驗爆發上膊測驗的是,你最重可以爆發上膊幾
公斤。對照的是你的爆發力有多強。3000公尺跑走,美國是測驗1.5英里跑走,時間量表
是對照你的最大攝氧量L/min.kg。其他項目不多說了,人家是科學化訓練,我們是土法煉
鋼。
技能訓練,這些技能路邊抓起鄉民甲乙丙丁,訓練2天,成績保證嚇嚇叫,但是在桃園這
樣就叫專業消防人員了。
改革絕對不是器材裝備買一買,就叫改革,桃園市消防重視業務,每天電腦桌前總是有同
仁不斷埋頭苦幹,影印機墨水、碳粉夾1-2個月就用光,把作業務的時間,讓大家坐下來
,泡個茶,聊一下如果出勤火災,誰要做什麼事,再實際的去操作一輪,不是更好?
這次火警,突顯出現場安全管制官的失能,其實也不能說失能,而是根本沒有安全管制官
。百思不得其解,為何一條水線會有6位同仁在上面?為何連裡面到底有幾個人是等清理
火場才知道。還突顯出外勤同仁普遍經驗不足,因為火警經驗都集中在特搜隊身上,外勤
跟特搜經驗根本沒有交流。
再來,部分外勤基層真的沒有問題嗎,各單位都有無效警力,有些人上班只會睡覺、體能
不行、技能不行、業務更是不行,只會抱怨業務多。這些老鼠屎,總是長官修理基層的痛
腳,內勤都以為外勤盡是這種人。只要有痛腳抓,抓住痛腳,耍官威、電基層,真正有問
題的人物也不敢處理,人前人後的,噁心。
沒有人是該死的,請不要再有人說為什麼不是哪些人被燒死。
6位殉職同仁,都是非常優秀的,也是因為優秀,才會在裡面,因為老鼠屎們都是不會進
火場的。
再來說的是,新屋火警,前任局長造孽也不小,這間保齡球館,桃園消防進去過的不在少
數,以前新屋分隊的人也不少人進去過,對內部構造算十分熟悉,但是新屋分隊早已在六
年條款及某位退休老鼠屎的黑函,全部都調光了,早都不是熟悉內部的人。
還敢說,同仁相同單位待久會怠勤嗎?怠勤也是因為勤務的編排,怠勤也比殉職強!
最後,桃園消防還是有希望的,胡局長面對媒體質疑為何同仁冒險進入火場時曾說:「他
們絕對不是有勇無謀,他們絕對不是有勇無謀。他們是勇氣可嘉。」也取消了前任局長做
秀的消防之最,還有之前詬病的iTaiwan無線上網的評比,可見他是聽得見大家的聲音的
。6位同仁殉職,大家都很悲憤,但是還是要理性,把過錯只推給某個人去承擔,這是部
分長官慣用伎倆,我們不要學。
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