數據看軍公教年金破產真相,台灣幾年內垮 - 公職
By Lucy
at 2016-08-17T00:07
at 2016-08-17T00:07
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有點意外本板反李的比例似乎挺高的...
我年資約10年,沒有18%,難道心態已老(笑)?
也許李有時論述不是那麼合理或可完全代表軍公教意見,
但個人還是感謝他的,
因為在這個名嘴充斥、胡說八道、道聽途說的時代,
沒有李的氣勢跟投入,奮力一搏,努力發聲,
我們只是ㄧ群待宰的羔羊。
新政府是否真想妥適處理年金問題?
何以要把這麼多不同制度、背景、特性的年金混在一起討論,
而不是各個年金邀請自己年金的關係人進行研商?
讓各行各業吵成一團,
用意可想而知。
此時此刻,我們不是應該先ㄧ致對外?
應該不少人在選擇投入公職前,
除了穩定之外,也有考量退休制度吧!
同輩在私人公司薪資年年大幅調漲,
但他們知道自己的高薪是要預先規劃退休金,
也不特別羨慕我,因為現職待遇已有反映,
大家知道自己工作特性及福利設計。
後來,社會氛圍一直拿軍公教跟22k比較,
但台灣許多高知識或具專業的私部門員工,
薪資可能是軍公教的1.5倍;
甚或直接將公務員月退與勞工退休待遇相較,
不管勞工每月繳費的天花板跟費率都遠不及軍公教。
曾聽同事提過ㄧ個看法,說退休制度是薪資的延遲性給付,
公務員相關制度及規定(含退休制度)都是希望養廉養才,
制度設計及檢討應是全盤性的,
如果要改變退休制度,建議應同時檢討公務員相關限制及現職待遇...
很多板友反對李主張的不溯及既往,
若在退休制度是薪資延遲性給付的概念下,
最合情合理的情況應該是所有現職人員都維持現制,
經改革後仍願意接受新制報考進來的人,才開始適用新制,
不過似乎不太可能QQ
頂多只能以通過時間切割並保留緩衝期。
大家在意老屁股領走自己繳的錢及退休金,
反對不溯及既往,
但今天年金 現這樣的問題,除了看起來老人領很多之外,
有許多原因,包括少子女化、經濟、基金投資效益...
這些短時間難見改善,尤其現在施政內耗嚴重QQ
如果今天政府可隨時更改退休制度,把上述結果都歸給年金自己承擔,
那下次、下下次年金改革你就失去主張信賴保護的立場...
所以,為了維持退休制度、政府與公務員間給付關係的的穩健,
個人寧願讓老屁股維持政府答應給他們的,
畢竟他們也經歷過一段現職薪資低於私部門的時代,
且金額差距及持續時間更甚於我們,
沒有人因為做了公務員致富,
只求穩定,將心比心。
--
我年資約10年,沒有18%,難道心態已老(笑)?
也許李有時論述不是那麼合理或可完全代表軍公教意見,
但個人還是感謝他的,
因為在這個名嘴充斥、胡說八道、道聽途說的時代,
沒有李的氣勢跟投入,奮力一搏,努力發聲,
我們只是ㄧ群待宰的羔羊。
新政府是否真想妥適處理年金問題?
何以要把這麼多不同制度、背景、特性的年金混在一起討論,
而不是各個年金邀請自己年金的關係人進行研商?
讓各行各業吵成一團,
用意可想而知。
此時此刻,我們不是應該先ㄧ致對外?
應該不少人在選擇投入公職前,
除了穩定之外,也有考量退休制度吧!
同輩在私人公司薪資年年大幅調漲,
但他們知道自己的高薪是要預先規劃退休金,
也不特別羨慕我,因為現職待遇已有反映,
大家知道自己工作特性及福利設計。
後來,社會氛圍一直拿軍公教跟22k比較,
但台灣許多高知識或具專業的私部門員工,
薪資可能是軍公教的1.5倍;
甚或直接將公務員月退與勞工退休待遇相較,
不管勞工每月繳費的天花板跟費率都遠不及軍公教。
曾聽同事提過ㄧ個看法,說退休制度是薪資的延遲性給付,
公務員相關制度及規定(含退休制度)都是希望養廉養才,
制度設計及檢討應是全盤性的,
如果要改變退休制度,建議應同時檢討公務員相關限制及現職待遇...
很多板友反對李主張的不溯及既往,
若在退休制度是薪資延遲性給付的概念下,
最合情合理的情況應該是所有現職人員都維持現制,
經改革後仍願意接受新制報考進來的人,才開始適用新制,
不過似乎不太可能QQ
頂多只能以通過時間切割並保留緩衝期。
大家在意老屁股領走自己繳的錢及退休金,
反對不溯及既往,
但今天年金 現這樣的問題,除了看起來老人領很多之外,
有許多原因,包括少子女化、經濟、基金投資效益...
這些短時間難見改善,尤其現在施政內耗嚴重QQ
如果今天政府可隨時更改退休制度,把上述結果都歸給年金自己承擔,
那下次、下下次年金改革你就失去主張信賴保護的立場...
所以,為了維持退休制度、政府與公務員間給付關係的的穩健,
個人寧願讓老屁股維持政府答應給他們的,
畢竟他們也經歷過一段現職薪資低於私部門的時代,
且金額差距及持續時間更甚於我們,
沒有人因為做了公務員致富,
只求穩定,將心比心。
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