板上很多人討論的台積電 - 工程師
By Harry
at 2012-01-07T01:32
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本人是在GG工作沒幾個月的小菜鳥 當時找工作時也常在這裡爬文~
所以來此回饋一下~ 本人是113碩畢~並且今年役畢
板上很多文章說的沒錯 從2011年Q3Q4開始景氣真的很差
基本上絕大多數有機會來面試的真的都是四大+中央
所以錄取者多也是這5所學校~當然有原則就會有例外一定還是有其他校的強者加入的
近年來GG愈來愈重視面試者的學歷~幾年前台積的EE大學畢業就可以了
現在已經很多都是碩畢甚至開始找四校的碩畢新鮮人
由此可知第一份工作大家審視你的就是學歷
所以請別在那邊說什麼找工作看能力不看學歷之類誤導人的話了
學歷這個枷鎖至少會跟著我們好一陣子
直到有一天你的職場戰績已經輝煌到面試時別人不care你的學歷了!!
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很多人會戰GG說錄用完全不考慮專長
或是抱怨說:XX系畢業的去GG做這個不浪費嗎?
這部分我同意一半~但也反對一半
同意的部分是 我看到版上近來很多四校電機啊或是其他不錯科系的強者
要來擠PIE或是PE 我覺得這真的是大材小用了~強者們應該有更寬廣的路
不同意的部分是 像我這種LEVEL的弱者去做PE PIE也沒什麼好抱怨的
每日工作內容雖然有點缺乏變化且跟所學沒有直接相關
但是除非在研究單位~不然哪個工作可以讓你像研究所時自由發揮想像並動腦解決問題?
絕大多數的工作也是有一套SOP你必須按表操作~或是每天重複做一些感覺沒啥意義的事
重點是~我是來工作賺錢的並不是來爽來尋找快樂的
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另外PTT板上相當流行GG的比較文 例如 RD,EE,PE,PIE等各種職務誰比較操?
我還是只能說套用當兵的一句話 爽單位有賽缺 賽單位有爽缺
不同廠不同職務不同部門不同課不同副理不同leader不同buddy都會有不同
但重點是你當初會來面試台積難道不知道他會很操?
難道面試主管都沒跟你提到很累? 沒說到可能要輪小夜or大夜?
還是當初想都不想就很肯定的說自己ok!?
操不操的定義每個人都不一樣~有些人覺得808很辛苦過不下去
也有人2012樂此不疲呢~我個人比較中庸啦~
只要不影響到身體還有與家人朋友的關係我都能接受啦!
當然人總是想要過得輕鬆又有大錢可以賺
但是我更認為第一份工作應該多拼一下或是深切的感受一下職場文化
如果真的不適合 可以做個兩三年就轉職 尋找自己想做的事
先打拼過再尋找自己想要的生活品質~也能更清楚自己想要什麼
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最後談到PTT鄉民對台積文化的想法~
1.挨罵的能力:我想這不管做什麼工作多少都需要這種抗壓性吧
但是相對於主管,leader或是比較資深的工程師
我們這種工作沒幾年的菜鳥算比較沒有被罵的壓力了
大多數我們做不好是上頭的人幫我們擋罵~
2.互相溝通(吵架?):gg分工做得很細~所以不同group之間的溝通很重要!
有時候在gg講話大聲吵架吵得贏的往往能在會議中勝出
互相highlight也是需要溝通~我必須承認說話大聲的往往是贏家
但是我想這在每個地方多半也是這樣
3.節奏與步調:在台積工作基本上步調和節奏都很快(連在路上走路的人都好快)
有些逼緊的主管會每天review你的進度~
或是下午5點才說明天早上前要做完什麼什麼什麼~~
而上班時同事們多半都有一拖拉庫的事要做~
沒辦法像以前研究所大家邊做實驗邊聊八卦或是邊看paper邊搞笑
景氣不好時大概只有製造部會輕鬆比較多~
其他部門景氣不好就拼命做costdown~景氣好就拼命衝產能
所以不太可能會有賢制的狀況
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最後我要說~賺錢真的沒這麼容易 天下沒有白吃的午餐
能夠不拼命工作躺在家裡就有錢拿得全世界才幾個?
一般人還是認分一點~工作不要影響到個人身體或是家人朋友感情為
這樣的原則就好了吧~當然我也有同學每天工作到11~12點
人家號稱808他卻2012~這樣的生活大家能否接受就看每個人的身心狀況了
我很幸運我不用每天都2012 不然我想我可能也撐不住吧!!
--
所以來此回饋一下~ 本人是113碩畢~並且今年役畢
板上很多文章說的沒錯 從2011年Q3Q4開始景氣真的很差
基本上絕大多數有機會來面試的真的都是四大+中央
所以錄取者多也是這5所學校~當然有原則就會有例外一定還是有其他校的強者加入的
近年來GG愈來愈重視面試者的學歷~幾年前台積的EE大學畢業就可以了
現在已經很多都是碩畢甚至開始找四校的碩畢新鮮人
由此可知第一份工作大家審視你的就是學歷
所以請別在那邊說什麼找工作看能力不看學歷之類誤導人的話了
學歷這個枷鎖至少會跟著我們好一陣子
直到有一天你的職場戰績已經輝煌到面試時別人不care你的學歷了!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
很多人會戰GG說錄用完全不考慮專長
或是抱怨說:XX系畢業的去GG做這個不浪費嗎?
這部分我同意一半~但也反對一半
同意的部分是 我看到版上近來很多四校電機啊或是其他不錯科系的強者
要來擠PIE或是PE 我覺得這真的是大材小用了~強者們應該有更寬廣的路
不同意的部分是 像我這種LEVEL的弱者去做PE PIE也沒什麼好抱怨的
每日工作內容雖然有點缺乏變化且跟所學沒有直接相關
但是除非在研究單位~不然哪個工作可以讓你像研究所時自由發揮想像並動腦解決問題?
絕大多數的工作也是有一套SOP你必須按表操作~或是每天重複做一些感覺沒啥意義的事
重點是~我是來工作賺錢的並不是來爽來尋找快樂的
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
另外PTT板上相當流行GG的比較文 例如 RD,EE,PE,PIE等各種職務誰比較操?
我還是只能說套用當兵的一句話 爽單位有賽缺 賽單位有爽缺
不同廠不同職務不同部門不同課不同副理不同leader不同buddy都會有不同
但重點是你當初會來面試台積難道不知道他會很操?
難道面試主管都沒跟你提到很累? 沒說到可能要輪小夜or大夜?
還是當初想都不想就很肯定的說自己ok!?
操不操的定義每個人都不一樣~有些人覺得808很辛苦過不下去
也有人2012樂此不疲呢~我個人比較中庸啦~
只要不影響到身體還有與家人朋友的關係我都能接受啦!
當然人總是想要過得輕鬆又有大錢可以賺
但是我更認為第一份工作應該多拼一下或是深切的感受一下職場文化
如果真的不適合 可以做個兩三年就轉職 尋找自己想做的事
先打拼過再尋找自己想要的生活品質~也能更清楚自己想要什麼
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
最後談到PTT鄉民對台積文化的想法~
1.挨罵的能力:我想這不管做什麼工作多少都需要這種抗壓性吧
但是相對於主管,leader或是比較資深的工程師
我們這種工作沒幾年的菜鳥算比較沒有被罵的壓力了
大多數我們做不好是上頭的人幫我們擋罵~
2.互相溝通(吵架?):gg分工做得很細~所以不同group之間的溝通很重要!
有時候在gg講話大聲吵架吵得贏的往往能在會議中勝出
互相highlight也是需要溝通~我必須承認說話大聲的往往是贏家
但是我想這在每個地方多半也是這樣
3.節奏與步調:在台積工作基本上步調和節奏都很快(連在路上走路的人都好快)
有些逼緊的主管會每天review你的進度~
或是下午5點才說明天早上前要做完什麼什麼什麼~~
而上班時同事們多半都有一拖拉庫的事要做~
沒辦法像以前研究所大家邊做實驗邊聊八卦或是邊看paper邊搞笑
景氣不好時大概只有製造部會輕鬆比較多~
其他部門景氣不好就拼命做costdown~景氣好就拼命衝產能
所以不太可能會有賢制的狀況
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
最後我要說~賺錢真的沒這麼容易 天下沒有白吃的午餐
能夠不拼命工作躺在家裡就有錢拿得全世界才幾個?
一般人還是認分一點~工作不要影響到個人身體或是家人朋友感情為
這樣的原則就好了吧~當然我也有同學每天工作到11~12點
人家號稱808他卻2012~這樣的生活大家能否接受就看每個人的身心狀況了
我很幸運我不用每天都2012 不然我想我可能也撐不住吧!!
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