王美花:車用晶片設計是台灣很大機會 - 工程師
By Erin
at 2022-11-28T01:36
at 2022-11-28T01:36
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推 lovecorgi : 那快回來台灣創業,賣個車規MCU啊 11/27 15:51
那需要一整個團隊,不是幾個人可以搞定的
光是車用晶片怎麼"篩"就是一個複雜的know how了
→ imsasage : 笑話是 那對夫妻講的鬼話 有人會認真看 11/27 16:12
推 amethystboy : 美花部長到底有沒有料啊 11/27 16:12
推 xSAUCEx : 沒料 但在某些族群心中是最有料的 11/27 16:15
推 TokyoHard : 會講設計就沒料啊XD 11/27 16:16
推 iamala : 車用晶片不只MCU吧 11/27 16:39
這幾年喊缺貨的就是車用MCU啊
NXP MCU還有英飛凌的MCU,價格都被炒到十倍高
其他車用的 igbt mosfet 電容 這些嚴格說起來不能叫"晶片"吧
功率元件 or 功率半導體?
推 sdgod : 先進不是做ㄧ堆車用?有人可以出來開示ㄧ下嗎 11/27 16:59
台灣基本上車用除了台積,其他是功率半導體 igbt mosfet
富士康也是買六吋晶圓廠,就是為了弄SiC mosfet
推 Neistpoint : 未來車用晶片不會只有傳統MCU. 車上的網路, 自駕 11/27 17:10
→ Neistpoint : 系統,娛樂系統都有一堆IC. 11/27 17:10
→ orz811017 : 娛樂IC沒啥競爭力...MTK目前的原宇宙部門(前智慧 11/27 17:16
→ orz811017 : 家庭產品線)本來就有在做,但像特斯拉車上平板卻 11/27 17:16
→ orz811017 : 是AMD的CPU,聯發科的車用前幾年喊的多大聲,還不 11/27 17:16
→ orz811017 : 是其他部門在養,最後又併回來,以前老闆就說了, 11/27 17:16
→ orz811017 : 聯發科的晶片用在車上你各位敢用嗎,他是不敢拉 11/27 17:16
按照我們NXP的分類,中控台晶片類似高通8155平台
就是類手機晶片叫MPU,不叫MCU
推 misson : 車用又不止MCU 11/27 17:31
還望大師開示!!
→ iamala : 不過不管如何,你看不到所以叫大家洗洗睡,這個思 11/27 17:41
→ iamala : 考方式真的輸美花。 11/27 17:41
還望大師開示一下,台灣那個車用"晶片"廠商現在有產品在市場上走跳的
除了新唐的M0 之外
噓 iamtien : 你質疑經濟部長,要不要先吃300萬? 11/27 17:44
窮.....
→ sticktight : 螃蟹表示? 11/27 18:18
RTL9075AAD這顆給推...
但是使用車規乙太網路車輛太少...不成氣候
推 GoodID : GD的車用MCU才剛出而已,比較看好芯旺微,芯馳 11/27 18:36
芯旺微在廣汽,上汽,吉利汽車全部上黑名單的MCU公司
功夫內核自有內核,沒法過功能安全認證ISO26262
芯馳是NXP的MPU團隊,他們不太關注MCU
而且MCU最難做的ROM,他們也沒有,要另外SIP ISSI的車規ROM
很多汽車廠商不敢用SIP的晶片 AECQ-100 測試驗證又是另外一套
噓 automaton : 新唐 有M4啊 11/27 18:40
不要開玩笑了
新唐的 M487 M483 M453 這些在PTT上放在車用晶片
但是PTT也寫得很清楚,沒有AEC-Q100認證
而且沒有ASIL-B 車規安全認證,沒有ISO26262
這算啥車規
推 royli : 螃蟹不是跟米漿合作車用網路成功了嗎?? 11/27 18:42
推 pinkowa : GD 我有在用... 11/27 18:53
→ jumpout : 內容有誤, 不是完全巷內的呵呵 11/27 18:56
→ jumpout : 大概就是有沾鍋水, 但是自己跟的中國團隊被歐洲本 11/27 18:57
→ jumpout : 部切割後的資訊就沒再更新了, 可憐啊 11/27 18:57
呵呵~~~敢不敢對賭一百片雞排在新竹科學園區科技生活館免費發
你指正出我那邊有錯!! 我去發
說不出來,你來發
→ Merkle : 車用要穩定 又不用管省電/溫度/晶片尺寸問題 到底要 11/27 19:00
→ Merkle : 先進製程幹嘛 11/27 19:00
首先,車規也要求省電,NXP S32K144 VLPS是低於30uA
一線 Tier1 現在車用空調,座椅,門控,都要求關閉SRAM後要低於50uA
第二,你定義一下啥叫 先進製程
推 supergoal : 車用驅動ic,奇景不是第一麽? 11/27 19:15
YES,而且是恐怖的壓倒領先,儀錶板驅動的第二名是矽創
噓 prpure : 車用晶片=MCU? 11/27 22:34
還望大師開示
車用MCU是整個車用晶片的靈魂
你和我扯一堆瑞昱的乙太PHY,或是奇景面板驅動這些不痛不癢的晶片...
我也只能無語
中控台MPU 現在霸主是高通8155,NXP的i.MX8Q已經幾乎被淘汰,瑞薩H3也沒幾個客戶
TI出了一顆新的J7 TDA4VM,內包ASIL-D的MCU,大概也只有一些美國汽車會上
台系只有MTK有機會...沒聽到任何消息
再來ADAS是 NV,連安霸都在吃屎,台系誰能上?
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