被威逼?周刊爆台塑越鋼辱賠161億元內幕 - 工程師

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標題: Re: [新聞] 被威逼?周刊爆台塑越鋼辱賠161億元內幕
時間: Wed Jul 6 14:42:53 2016

※ 引述《chaos21 (cosmos)》之銘言:
: 1.媒體來源:
: 聯合報
: 2.完整新聞標題:
: 被威逼?周刊爆台塑越鋼辱賠161億元內幕
: 3.完整新聞內文:
: 2016-07-06 09:42 聯合新聞網 綜合報導
: 台塑在越南的河靜鋼鐵廠,因排放廢水致魚群大量死亡,遭越南判罰5億美元(新台幣161
: 億元)天價罰金。而原先台塑才呼籲越南政府共組調查團查明真相,不到半個月就又通通
: 認賠,《壹周刊》報導指出,其實是台塑總裁王文淵與副總裁王瑞華前往越南洽談點火事
: 宜時遭到威逼,王文淵為了顧全大局只能忍辱認賠。
: 關於越南毒魚事件,越南政府要求台塑賠償高達5億美元的賠償金,原先台塑在股東會上
: 呼籲要越南政府共組調查團,查明真相還清白,卻不到半個月就通通認賠承認是「下包商
: 作業疏失所致」。
: 周刊報導就指出,六月中王文淵與王瑞華親自到越南說明點火事宜,但
: 其實卻是被逼迫賠償毒魚事件,知情台商更透露,當時越南官員放話若談不出結果,兩人
: 都不准走。此外,台塑越鋼四位高階台幹還被限制出境,有台商說「這根本就是綁票,逼
: 台塑拿錢贖人。」
: 越鋼可說是王文淵一手催生,也是台塑近十年來最大的海外投資。2007年台塑砸下3000億
: 元落腳河靜,原本預定在6月25日舉行第一座高爐的點火竣工儀式,都因為毒魚事件被迫
: 取消。六月底越南鎮暴警察部隊進駐越鋼,名義上是防範人民闖入暴動,但其實是在監督
: 不准動工。
: 除了認賠5億美元並由越南董事長陳源成上電視道歉,報導中甚至指出,越南官方要求台
: 塑簽下但書,要求台塑未來不得提出任何訴願、國際仲裁,否則越鋼就別想點火。越鋼副
: 總張復寧則回應,與越方簽署的條件因保密條款不得透露,河靜鋼廠則將分兩次償還5億
: 美元,時間點尚未確認。
: 4.完整新聞連結 (或短網址):
: http://udn.com/news/story/6/1809662
: 5.備註:


我讀到的事件經過怎麼都沒提,下游廠商都有人死了耶

新聞來源
http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/vietnam-fish-deaths-cast-suspicion-on-formosa-steel-plant/

Vietnam Fish Deaths Cast Suspicion on Formosa Steel Plant

In central Vietnam, fish are dying on a massive scale, and locals suspect
pollution is the cause.

越南魚隻死亡事件疑似與台塑河靜鋼鐵公司有關
在越南中部,魚隻大量死亡,當地人懷疑其為污染所致。

In addition to the off-shore conflict in the South China Sea, Vietnamese
citizens now have to face another disaster on the country’s central coast.
Unprecedented fish kills have been discovered along the beaches of four
central coastal provinces, namely Ha Tinh, Quang Tri, Quang Binh, and Hue.
Among the dead fish are not only small, shallow water fish, but also rare
species living in deep water and far offshore.

除了南海衝突外,越南民眾還得面對另一項發生在他們中部海岸的災難。沿著中部
沿海,前所未聞的魚隻死亡事件已經發生,地點包括河靜省、廣治省、廣平省及順
化省。死亡的魚類種類不限於小型的淺海物種,還包括深海與離岸的種類。

Vnexpress, a Vietnamese news agency, cited the Vietnam Directorate of
Fisheries as saying that “The total loss reached 4.7 billion dong (around
$200,000) in less than one week, including 37,200 brood fish, 900,000 brood
shrimps, and 200,000 brood clams in Ha Tinh Province. Hue also lost 5,900
brood fishes.”


Vnexpress-越南的一家新聞媒體,引述越南漁業局的說法如下:在一星期內,損失
換算金額達47億越南盾(換算約20萬美金),包括在河靜省的3萬7千200條種魚、90萬
隻種蝦及20萬隻種貝。在順平省損失了5千9百條種魚。

Then, on April 24, a 100 kg whale was also found dead on the coast of Hue
Province. According to the coastal citizens, this is an abnormal phenomenon,
since previously discovered dead whales had been much larger and presumably
died from old age. Locals are concerned that this small whale also died from
poisoned water, along with the other fish in the mass fish kills along the
central coast this month. This raised alarm among the citizens since it
offered proof of the massive extent of the poisoned area.
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接著在四月24日,一條100公斤的鯨魚被發現陳屍於順平省的海岸上。這是個不尋常
的現象,在此事件前被發現的死鯨體型多數體型較大,推測死因亦多為老死。當地民
眾關注這條鯨魚,擔心它跟大量魚隻都是死於有毒水污染。死鯨事件讓民眾警覺到被
污染的地區涵蓋範圍甚廣。

Never in their life have local fishermen caught fish so easily and in such a
great amount, and yet felt so frustrated and desperate. No one dares to eat
the fish. Some who tried have already had to go the hospital.

當地漁民從未如此輕易就取得漁獲,但同時,心理卻感到非常地挫敗。沒有人敢吃
這些魚,有些嘗試過的人還必須就醫治療。

On April 26, five divers with the Nibelc company, a construction company
contract by Hung Nghiep Formosa Ha Tinh Steel Corp (an offshoot of the
Taiwan-based Formosa Plastics Group) had to be hospitalized suspiciously,
allegedly due to pollution dumped by Formosa industrial site into the sea
water in Ha Tinh. Previously, on April 24, Le Van Ngay, another Nibelc diver,
died after diving in the water near the Formosa project.

在4月26日,5個來自 Nibelc公司的潛水伕(Nibelc公司有與台塑河靜鋼鐵公司簽訂
工程合約)疑似必須入院治療,據傳是位於河靜省的台塑工業區排進海裡的污染所致。
在之前的4月24日,Le Van Ngay - 一位同樣來自Nibelc公司的潛水伕,在台塑工程
計畫附近的水域潛水後離世。

While the government has been slow in responding and investigating the fish
deaths, the citizens and reporters of VTV, together with the Investigation
Center of Ha Tinh, conducted a public experiment with the polluted sea water.
The experiment observed two normal, living fish dying within two minutes of
swimming in the water sample. The first official conclusion from the Vietnam
Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development was that the cause of the fish
kill was not contagious disease but poisoned water. However, there have been
no announcement as to what could have tainted the water.


當政府調查在魚隻死亡事件牛步進行時,民眾及VTV的記者,以及河靜省的檢調中心,
對被污染的海水執行了公開實驗。實驗觀察到兩隻正常活魚,在置於實驗海水樣本後
2分鐘內死去。來自越南農業部及鄉村發展部門的第一份官方報告的結論是:魚隻死亡
並不是傳染性疾病造成,而是有毒污水所致。但與此同時,並未有任何聲明是何種物質
造成此污染。

Local fishermen have been observing the dumping process of Formosa’s steel
plant in Ha Tinh province. The fishermen found out about the existence of an
undersea dumping pipeline two years ago, but the dumping was not noticeable.
According to their accounts, this year there was suddenly a huge amount of
discharge, visible in the form of a red water column near the pipes. After
that, the mass fish kill appeared across all four central coastal provinces.


當地漁民曾觀察到台塑河靜鋼鐵公司在河靜省排放廢水。漁民在兩年前就已發現海中
的廢水排放管線,但是排放情形並不明顯。根據漁民的說法,今年突然有大量紅色
水層出現在排放管線附近,在那之後魚隻大量死亡事件就發生在中部沿海四省了。


An investigation is still underway, and a Vietnamese official cautioned that
there is no proof linking Formosa to the fish deaths. However, Formosa has
drawn fire for the blunt words of Chu Xuan Pham, the director of the company’
s local external relations department. In an interview with VTC on April 25,
he said: “Before acquiring the land, we already advised local fishermen to
change their jobs. Despite our early recommendation, local fishermen kept on
fishing in this area. Many times in life, people have to make a choice:
either to catch and sell fish, or to develop the steel industry. We cannot
have both.”

調查仍然在進行中,一位越南官員警告尚未有證據顯示台塑與魚隻死亡事件有關。
然而,台塑副處長朱春帆的失言點燃了火苗。在4月25日的VTC訪談中,朱春帆說:
在取得土地前,我們就已勸說當地漁民轉行。雖然我們早已勸說,但當地漁民仍舊
繼續於此地捕魚。人生中有很多次必須做出選擇,在捕魚賣魚或是發展鋼鐵業之間,
兩者只能取其一。

What an attitude! Formosa publicly announced they had invested $45 million in
the dumping system. Based on the comment from Formosa’s representative, the
investors believe that they have already paid their money and now are free to
“develop” however they want. Chu later apologized for his comment, but the
damage was done.

真是高傲的姿態! 台塑宣稱他們已經投資了4千5百萬美元在廢水排放系統上。根據
台塑代表的發言,投資者相信他們已投下資金,可以自由"開發"他們想要的東西。
朱春帆後來已對其發言道歉,但由此而生的傷害已經造成了。

Making things worse, it seemed like Formosa, a multi-national corporation,
had elevated itself even above the Vietnamese government. At the beginning,
state-assigned inspectors were forbidden from entering the Formosa’s land,
based on concerns about confidentiality. Only after the reporters and
citizens raised concerns did Formosa allow the inspectors to take the samples
for testing.

更糟的是,台塑這家多國企業,似乎認為本身地位凌駕於越南政府。事件初始時,
台塑不允許越南政府指派的調查員進入台塑的廠區,理由是為了保護工業機密,
而在記者與公眾關心升高後,台塑才允許調查者採集樣本供作檢驗。

Looking back at Formosa’s record on environmental issues, perhaps it’s not
surprising that 30 tons of fish have died in one week in Vietnam. In 2009,
the Formosa Plastics Group “won” the Black Planet award, a negative “award
” issued by the German foundation Ethecon to individuals and companies
engaging in environmental destruction (a fellow “winner” is Monsanto,
which, along with Dow Chemical, manufactured the infamous Agent Orange).
While making a great contribution to the industrialization and economic
development of Taiwan, Formosa Plastics Group has also earned a bad
reputation for harming the environment. In the United States, in Texas and
Louisiana, Formosa factories were found to have dumped toxins into the land
and groundwater, and even the Mississippi River. In 2009, Formosa was fined
$2.8 million dollars by the EPA to resolve environmental problems in Texas
and Louisiana.


看過台塑過去的環保紀錄後,也許就不會對30噸的魚隻在一星期內死亡這種事情大驚
小怪。在2009年,台塑就已經贏得黑色地球獎- 一個由地球公民基金會頒發,給參與
環境破壞的個人及企業的殊榮(另一個獲獎者是孟山都,跟陶式化學一同製造惡名昭彰的
"橙劑")。在對台灣的工業及經濟發展有所貢獻的同時,台塑集團對環境破壞這事也是
惡名昭彰的。在美國的德克薩斯洲及路易斯安那洲,台塑工廠就曾被發現排放有毒物質
到土地及地下水裡,更甚的是密西西比河中。在2009年,台塑就前述兩洲的環境問題被
當地環保署罰款280萬美元。


In 1998, Formosa Plastic dumped 3,000 tons of waste (containing mercury) in
in Sihanoukville, Cambodia. When residents fell ill (five later died), it
sparked riots. Roughly 1,000 citizens fled their homes and marched on Phnom
Penh. The Cambodian government later sued Formosa for bribing the local
government with $4 million to be allowed to dump the waste; 30 local
officials were forced to resign.

在1998年,台塑在柬埔寨的施亞努市傾倒3000噸含汞廢棄物,當地人因此感到不適
(其中5人死亡),抗議因此發生,約千名民眾遠離家鄉前去金邊遊行抗議。柬埔寨
政府後來起訴台塑,因其以4百萬美元賄賂當地政府以取得排放污水許可:30名地方
官員因此去職。

A similar situation seems to be repeating in Vietnam. It has been almost one
month since the first fish deaths, but the government has been slow to react
and there seem to be no signs of an effective solution.

相似的情況似乎在越南又再度上演,在魚隻死亡事件後已經過一個月,但越南政府
就此事反應遲緩,同時似乎沒有任何有效解決問題的方案的跡象。

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新聞提到的死鯨事件

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/dead-whale-washed-to-shore-in-central-vietnam-61490.html

在人家門口大便叫你清乾淨回家鄉後跟人哭訴,真不要臉


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All Comments

Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2016-07-09T22:11
朱春帆就台灣過太爽的慣老闆啊...
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2016-07-12T02:20
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2016-07-12T06:07
這篇是比較深入的報導
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2016-07-14T17:13
好奇哪種廢水能造成近200浬海域魚死亡? 此廢水可做化武了
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2016-07-18T03:29
這次竟然會給錢,他們家族不是死都要錢嗎
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2016-07-21T17:12
會怕子彈
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2016-07-24T08:24
不能這麼說 要魚要工廠你只能選一個
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2016-07-24T19:30
老闆最怕人關了 押他護照不讓他出境就付錢了 顆顆
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2016-07-29T07:01
雲林麥寮早該也檢查一下啊...
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2016-07-31T04:59
全球前列的黑心公司呵呵 慣老闆活該被共產政府整
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2016-08-02T13:16
麥寮的排水溝都馬有人在釣魚
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2016-08-05T11:23
王董關在裡面 面對坦克能不妥協嗎
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2016-08-09T06:02
哪有什麼 他們最後就遷回來 還不是繼續做 台灣政府
只會重罰兩萬
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2016-08-13T20:40
魚放到汙染海裡2分鐘就死亡??...媽呀 根本就劇毒阿...這不
William avatar
By William
at 2016-08-14T19:22
被趕走 根本就已經很仁慈了好嗎 這要花多久時間恢復阿
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2016-08-16T05:20
台灣老闆真的過很爽
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2016-08-19T01:15
金雞母放回來就太蠢了
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2016-08-20T22:25
不排放污染不就沒事,還有新聞怪越南政府土匪。我看是
鬼島法律讓這些老闆過太爽。
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2016-08-25T16:21
煉鋼製程有哪些化學品這麼毒?量這麼大?蠻懷疑的
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2016-08-26T06:39
這內文根本農場寫法呀XD
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2016-08-28T01:15
台塑不易外
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2016-08-31T19:34
賠得好 最好整廠賠光光 這保護費只是頭款而已
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2016-09-03T11:07
如果是氰化物,就一點都不奇怪了
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2016-09-04T07:54
煉鋼有這麼毒?那中鋼早就GG了,報導真實性真的很可疑
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2016-09-08T13:03
這不是越南的問題,換成在台灣排污水有人可以接受嗎?
David avatar
By David
at 2016-09-11T21:38
這真的假的?! 如果真的話台塑被抄家活該 但他好歹大廠真的
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2016-09-16T05:32
敢玩得這麼絕、這麼蠢....
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2016-09-20T10:15
在台灣過太爽,以為別人都跟中華民國政府一樣是白癡
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2016-09-22T05:34
越南也學中國那套,缺錢就收台灣公司保護費
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2016-09-26T01:26
幾年前可成也被這樣玩過.
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2016-09-30T08:54
講這麼委屈,不爽不要去設廠,不要偷排廢水阿
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2016-10-01T08:10
煉鋼就是這麼毒 不用懷疑
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2016-10-01T13:11
台灣政府也學學越南好嗎
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2016-10-06T01:14
鋼板用鹼液洗 沒有稀釋直接排放確實會死很多魚
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2016-10-08T11:54
停工、罰鉅款都算了,我還是覺得應該要公佈調查結果欸....
....
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2016-10-11T07:31
台灣越南住毒水附近居民都不敢武力私刑報復!
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2016-10-11T10:45
老王個性不意外, 能摳則摳. 環保? 能吃嗎
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2016-10-13T08:28
幾乎所有重工業都很毒 就看有沒有良心先自己處理好..
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2016-10-15T21:24
幹,中鋼參股四分之一,這種報導你也信?完全沒證據就
辦了,怎麼台灣的覺醒青年這時候不跳出來講話?
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2016-10-20T16:27
在台xx油都合法
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2016-10-20T22:26
顆顆重點是賠的錢是從員工的獎金扣吧!慣老闆繼續爽~
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2016-10-22T13:00
麥寮那個一定有毒阿 我同事麥寮人 他健檢血液裡面有重
金屬汙染
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2016-10-23T21:28
補一下廢水所含成分相關新聞
http://www.civilmedia.tw/archives/50211
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2016-10-24T00:07
這篇文章亂寫的成分居多...
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2016-10-26T06:29
外電報導 看看紅色海水長怎樣 http://goo.gl/Gg92JW
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2016-10-30T00:27
跟覺醒青年有什麼屁關係?
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2016-10-31T06:45
台朔是台灣之恥
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2016-11-04T19:29
2分鐘就死?這可信度很低的報導
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2016-11-05T15:09
新聞製造業
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2016-11-08T04:24
2分鐘死亡...非常懷疑,那要量多到什麼程度才能在大海
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2016-11-11T12:36
的稀釋下還有這麼強的毒性?
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2016-11-11T16:55
所以整個事件還在「疑似」、「懷疑」就判賠了?
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2016-11-14T11:59
中國大陸的事情就沒人信,越南政府就能信?都忘了它們也
是獨裁共產國家了?台塑有他的可惡之處,不代表他們有蠢
到光明正大的幹。日本人好歹也佔5%,以為龜毛的日本人
都不會參與?這件事本身就是個陰謀吧。
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2016-11-17T02:55
可以改做生化武器,沒點火可以毒200里太厲害了
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By Rosalind
at 2016-11-18T07:48
台塑的黑心紀錄太多 新聞都查得到

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