新制應該有權力將自提與公提領回來 - 公職

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我來吐槽一下這篇一廂情願、天真浪漫的文章與想法
※ 引述《a172706 (a172706)》之銘言:
: 不管怎麼改,新制一起退總可有權力把自繳和雇主部分領回來吧?
權利 不是 權力
你真的是公務員嗎?
: 想爭取未來繳18%的新制公教支持,建議新法多一條,可比照勞退,個人分戶設帳,未來
: 新制公教,一次領時,政府保證至少可領回退撫自繳與雇主繳的950萬(尚不含公保部分約
: 168萬)
比照勞退的個人帳戶制,政府就不會把勞退基金拿去花掉嗎?
看到「政府保證」 就覺得很想笑
你還期待政府保證喔?
那之前的恩給制、民國84年的儲金制(年金制) 政府現在翻盤
不就在你這句「政府保證」之下像個笑話一樣
政府沒信用 你還要信牠幾次 自己信牠 還要傳教要求別人也跟你信那個「政府保證」
做白日夢、做春夢應該會比較爽一點...
你如何能保證 政府會負擔他那65% 而不會縮水或偷金減兩?
: 新聞說:
: 此次改革..要把目前公教退撫的薪資提撥率十二%逐年提高到十八%的水準..,若以七職
: 等公務員、到最頂級年功俸,自己工作三十五年、繳費加上複利計算約可領回九五○萬
: 建議:
: 未來改革後,年滿65歲,新制公教,選擇一次退時,可領回上面的950萬(尚不含公保)。
其實真要論950萬太多了 因為現在林萬億、社民黨范雲、名嘴等人
都是說只要照顧退休個人生活就夠了 那這樣的話950萬就已經是吃垮國家的金額
領500萬就夠了. 950萬那是對納稅人造成不公不義
為什麼是500萬就夠了? 我算給你看:
150萬醫療準備金 + (1.9萬 x 12個月 x (80-65)歲) = 約500萬
: 自己理財自己管
: 勞保勞退目前都可選擇一次領
: 未來新制公教希望也可以,金額就照上面公式算的
: 這樣既不占政府便宜,也不占前輩、後輩便宜
: 新制公教也不用擔心政府何時再改、破產
: 公教早退早領;晚進晚退也可選一次領回,總數不變也不吃虧
: 公公道道
500萬才公道
不過那時候政府會讓你領950萬嗎? XDDD
以前職業軍人, 當不到20年的只能一次領, 一次領的金額是30萬
: 文中沒說明他複利的基礎 我想應該是以副總統說的3%吧(因為與我估算的差不多)
: 我上土地銀行網站以950萬算 利率3% 分15年 每年可領65605
: 文中950萬的說法是林于凱接受公開專訪報紙登載的
還有你提議 保證新制能夠一次就能領到950萬
那這種保證 遺眷不就有請求權與期待權 那不就能用訴訟請求拿回
政府會笨到跟你用這種保證? 讓你用訴訟方式討回950萬? 那政府虧大了
政府只想賴你帳 還由得你跟政府討錢? XDD
沒看到現在民進黨與綠營要先推 退休金的給予 要從半年付一次改成月領嗎?
就怕你在這半年中死了 還多領幾個月
最好是這個月退休軍公教死了 下個月就清結 不用多領 那最好
--
※ 引述《a172706 (a172706)》之銘言:
: 不管怎麼改,新制一起退總可有權力把自繳和雇主部分領回來吧?
權利 不是 權力
你真的是公務員嗎?
: 想爭取未來繳18%的新制公教支持,建議新法多一條,可比照勞退,個人分戶設帳,未來
: 新制公教,一次領時,政府保證至少可領回退撫自繳與雇主繳的950萬(尚不含公保部分約
: 168萬)
比照勞退的個人帳戶制,政府就不會把勞退基金拿去花掉嗎?
看到「政府保證」 就覺得很想笑
你還期待政府保證喔?
那之前的恩給制、民國84年的儲金制(年金制) 政府現在翻盤
不就在你這句「政府保證」之下像個笑話一樣
政府沒信用 你還要信牠幾次 自己信牠 還要傳教要求別人也跟你信那個「政府保證」
做白日夢、做春夢應該會比較爽一點...
你如何能保證 政府會負擔他那65% 而不會縮水或偷金減兩?
: 新聞說:
: 此次改革..要把目前公教退撫的薪資提撥率十二%逐年提高到十八%的水準..,若以七職
: 等公務員、到最頂級年功俸,自己工作三十五年、繳費加上複利計算約可領回九五○萬
: 建議:
: 未來改革後,年滿65歲,新制公教,選擇一次退時,可領回上面的950萬(尚不含公保)。
其實真要論950萬太多了 因為現在林萬億、社民黨范雲、名嘴等人
都是說只要照顧退休個人生活就夠了 那這樣的話950萬就已經是吃垮國家的金額
領500萬就夠了. 950萬那是對納稅人造成不公不義
為什麼是500萬就夠了? 我算給你看:
150萬醫療準備金 + (1.9萬 x 12個月 x (80-65)歲) = 約500萬
: 自己理財自己管
: 勞保勞退目前都可選擇一次領
: 未來新制公教希望也可以,金額就照上面公式算的
: 這樣既不占政府便宜,也不占前輩、後輩便宜
: 新制公教也不用擔心政府何時再改、破產
: 公教早退早領;晚進晚退也可選一次領回,總數不變也不吃虧
: 公公道道
500萬才公道
不過那時候政府會讓你領950萬嗎? XDDD
以前職業軍人, 當不到20年的只能一次領, 一次領的金額是30萬
: 文中沒說明他複利的基礎 我想應該是以副總統說的3%吧(因為與我估算的差不多)
: 我上土地銀行網站以950萬算 利率3% 分15年 每年可領65605
: 文中950萬的說法是林于凱接受公開專訪報紙登載的
還有你提議 保證新制能夠一次就能領到950萬
那這種保證 遺眷不就有請求權與期待權 那不就能用訴訟請求拿回
政府會笨到跟你用這種保證? 讓你用訴訟方式討回950萬? 那政府虧大了
政府只想賴你帳 還由得你跟政府討錢? XDD
沒看到現在民進黨與綠營要先推 退休金的給予 要從半年付一次改成月領嗎?
就怕你在這半年中死了 還多領幾個月
最好是這個月退休軍公教死了 下個月就清結 不用多領 那最好
--
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