系統廠最近是不是超級慘? - 工程師

By Andrew
at 2022-08-14T13:51
at 2022-08-14T13:51
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※ 引述《b122771 (躺平的韭菜)》之銘言:
: : 系統廠的薪資很不好 我也常酸系統廠
: : 那時候是2018年 工作經驗台灣2年 + 美國2年
: : 過了20分鐘後HR打進來: 果不其然 系統廠
: : 上來直接起手式: 薪水5萬2 保底13(還14? 有點忘了)個月
: : 還說你的相關經驗只算台灣的2年喔 5萬2已經比公司的同級薪水都還高惹
: 就給不起阿,所以只能用騙的
: 招募的人都快跟詐騙集團一樣了
: 系統廠的利潤是靠省錢、壓榨、匯率流出來的
: 賺的錢就那樣子,如何給高呢?
: 自己認識系統廠能領 200up
: 就兩種 (1)真外商 (2)外派(靠出差費加上去)
老闆或資深(8Y+)的200很多好嗎?
: 講講電子工程屍工作內容
: 大致上就:抄公板、測試、比價格、換零件、遇問題打電話找廠商解蟲、找廠商畫押、
NB沒做過不知道 Server你抄公板搭配你的chassis試試看能不能lay進去?
cost會不會爆表? 你客戶的各種FW team要不要讓你這樣接? 公板的IO友符合你要的?
零件vendor說EoL了你繼續拼不要換啊~
遇到問題call vendor你看看你有沒有那個量直接凹vendor來debug,沒有還是要先證明
問題來自他們IC好嗎? 以為FAE北七? 閉著眼睛幫解bug甚至畫押? 哪間IC廠FAE這樣幹
還沒被火掉的我來去應徵
: 弄弄測試報告、弄弄BOM表、聽人家演講畫虎爛、過安規...打雜(占一半時間以上)
BOM在這產業水很深,系統廠或甚至品牌廠都會牽扯到工廠端,講白就不是純"電子"業,
生產製造佔很多,如何讓工廠從採購備料、打版、測試、組裝、出貨、後續客戶出保固
維修換貨等service都跟BOM脫不了關係。沒有一定的know how一定出大事。做BOM很打雜
嗎? 看怎麼想吧,如果沒有用到電子電路的事就算打雜那也無話可說
: 上述內容簡單整理一下
: 測試、安規、開會、打電話給廠商
: 貫徹 我就爛 心法
: 一堆自己可以處理的雞毛蒜皮小事情都打電話過去問FAE
: 因此也造成版上IC廠員工常常批系統廠
看兩邊說法吧,我在系統廠時期就遇過不少次IC真的有問題啊,做不少實驗,勾不少
waveform最後FAE也百口莫辯,也有搞到被drop solution國外IC designer被火掉的例子
IC廠的學識通常不太會比系統廠差,有道理的話吵架不太可能吵輸吧
啊現實就有時候多少還是會做錯啊,是人都有機會犯錯啊
: 還有新聞報導系統廠找烤骨系、土木系進去做這種工作
: 可以找非相關科技進去訓練..這個技能點的高度是?
做什麼工作? EE? SI? MmNRP的警衛也找電資碩嗎?
: 所有人都知道東西就複製貼上、你遇到問題就打電話給廠商處理
如上面寫的,你量沒有大到給人捧懶他會馬上開車過來onsite support? 別做夢了
: 若要自己研究如何解蟲的話,上面還會阻止你說浪費時間
: 另外..我遇過蠻多空降系統廠中高層,技術真的完全不行,
這是真的啦,比較好奇的是IC廠沒有嗎?
: 若硬要擠出技能點的話..就講話大聲、畫唬濫行。
: 還真以為技術高超。又愛提當年勇
: 這類中高層..生命週期最短半個月 ~ 最久待半年
: 試問..這類工作,老闆願意掏錢付薪水給 130up 以上的理由是?
: 系統廠就是窮山惡水,所以常常亂搞一些有的沒的。
: 難怪年輕人不想理老人,划他的手機。常常擺出一副來啊~ 來把我開除掉阿!
: 想到我學弟當年畢業後面試10幾間公司,也包含系統廠
: 我:啊你之前不是說過很排斥輪班工作嗎?
: 學弟就這麼回答:收到各間offer,看了上面數字後。
: 你只能選gg、而且你只會選gg
: 中高層還頻頻發薪資灌水文,看看能不能吸引多一點奴隸進去受苦受難
: 老人們,行動通訊時代就賣鬧了
個人覺得系統廠也是有一些不簡單know how,你要把各家IC在各種限制(PCB大小、機殼空
間、cost...等)下拼湊起來,設計test plan找到可能bug,遇到bug要有一定的電子背景跟
清楚邏輯思維去設計實驗釐清是主板設計瑕疵還是IC defect。開發過程要跟各種team(ME
,thermal,SI,PM,AM,各種測試......等)溝通取共識,內外測試遇到狀況協助debug。零件
缺料、EoL的backup plan,新料導入如何用最精簡的人力去檢視是否有side effect...
這些東西沒有一定程度的相關知識背景做得來嗎?
講真的在別的角度來看也沒比較簡單多少,所以跟IC廠比起來最為人詬病的就是CP值吧
工時、加班沒少太多,本業外雜事比較多,薪水差3倍起跳。這也是產業、市場結構的問
題,扣掉PR95+的特例,同樣PR值的系統廠工程師年薪可能還有同樣PR值會計師快兩倍,
有人可能會說EE大學研究所比較難考,那EE比ME呢? 我覺得機械體系的應該完全沒有好唸
,分數也沒差多少。系統廠還算比上不足比下有餘啦,整體薪資在台灣產業應該也有個
PR70,在就業市場上也是養了不少人。
我覺得可以笑系統廠錢比較少、事情比較雜、上層腦洞思維不切實際。但是程度比較差,
人人可做? 我覺得不一定,不用拿最差的那幾個例子來放大解釋。大家都吃人頭祿的打工
仔,沒必要這樣文人相輕啦。
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: : 系統廠的薪資很不好 我也常酸系統廠
: : 那時候是2018年 工作經驗台灣2年 + 美國2年
: : 過了20分鐘後HR打進來: 果不其然 系統廠
: : 上來直接起手式: 薪水5萬2 保底13(還14? 有點忘了)個月
: : 還說你的相關經驗只算台灣的2年喔 5萬2已經比公司的同級薪水都還高惹
: 就給不起阿,所以只能用騙的
: 招募的人都快跟詐騙集團一樣了
: 系統廠的利潤是靠省錢、壓榨、匯率流出來的
: 賺的錢就那樣子,如何給高呢?
: 自己認識系統廠能領 200up
: 就兩種 (1)真外商 (2)外派(靠出差費加上去)
老闆或資深(8Y+)的200很多好嗎?
: 講講電子工程屍工作內容
: 大致上就:抄公板、測試、比價格、換零件、遇問題打電話找廠商解蟲、找廠商畫押、
NB沒做過不知道 Server你抄公板搭配你的chassis試試看能不能lay進去?
cost會不會爆表? 你客戶的各種FW team要不要讓你這樣接? 公板的IO友符合你要的?
零件vendor說EoL了你繼續拼不要換啊~
遇到問題call vendor你看看你有沒有那個量直接凹vendor來debug,沒有還是要先證明
問題來自他們IC好嗎? 以為FAE北七? 閉著眼睛幫解bug甚至畫押? 哪間IC廠FAE這樣幹
還沒被火掉的我來去應徵
: 弄弄測試報告、弄弄BOM表、聽人家演講畫虎爛、過安規...打雜(占一半時間以上)
BOM在這產業水很深,系統廠或甚至品牌廠都會牽扯到工廠端,講白就不是純"電子"業,
生產製造佔很多,如何讓工廠從採購備料、打版、測試、組裝、出貨、後續客戶出保固
維修換貨等service都跟BOM脫不了關係。沒有一定的know how一定出大事。做BOM很打雜
嗎? 看怎麼想吧,如果沒有用到電子電路的事就算打雜那也無話可說
: 上述內容簡單整理一下
: 測試、安規、開會、打電話給廠商
: 貫徹 我就爛 心法
: 一堆自己可以處理的雞毛蒜皮小事情都打電話過去問FAE
: 因此也造成版上IC廠員工常常批系統廠
看兩邊說法吧,我在系統廠時期就遇過不少次IC真的有問題啊,做不少實驗,勾不少
waveform最後FAE也百口莫辯,也有搞到被drop solution國外IC designer被火掉的例子
IC廠的學識通常不太會比系統廠差,有道理的話吵架不太可能吵輸吧
啊現實就有時候多少還是會做錯啊,是人都有機會犯錯啊
: 還有新聞報導系統廠找烤骨系、土木系進去做這種工作
: 可以找非相關科技進去訓練..這個技能點的高度是?
做什麼工作? EE? SI? MmNRP的警衛也找電資碩嗎?
: 所有人都知道東西就複製貼上、你遇到問題就打電話給廠商處理
如上面寫的,你量沒有大到給人捧懶他會馬上開車過來onsite support? 別做夢了
: 若要自己研究如何解蟲的話,上面還會阻止你說浪費時間
: 另外..我遇過蠻多空降系統廠中高層,技術真的完全不行,
這是真的啦,比較好奇的是IC廠沒有嗎?
: 若硬要擠出技能點的話..就講話大聲、畫唬濫行。
: 還真以為技術高超。又愛提當年勇
: 這類中高層..生命週期最短半個月 ~ 最久待半年
: 試問..這類工作,老闆願意掏錢付薪水給 130up 以上的理由是?
: 系統廠就是窮山惡水,所以常常亂搞一些有的沒的。
: 難怪年輕人不想理老人,划他的手機。常常擺出一副來啊~ 來把我開除掉阿!
: 想到我學弟當年畢業後面試10幾間公司,也包含系統廠
: 我:啊你之前不是說過很排斥輪班工作嗎?
: 學弟就這麼回答:收到各間offer,看了上面數字後。
: 你只能選gg、而且你只會選gg
: 中高層還頻頻發薪資灌水文,看看能不能吸引多一點奴隸進去受苦受難
: 老人們,行動通訊時代就賣鬧了
個人覺得系統廠也是有一些不簡單know how,你要把各家IC在各種限制(PCB大小、機殼空
間、cost...等)下拼湊起來,設計test plan找到可能bug,遇到bug要有一定的電子背景跟
清楚邏輯思維去設計實驗釐清是主板設計瑕疵還是IC defect。開發過程要跟各種team(ME
,thermal,SI,PM,AM,各種測試......等)溝通取共識,內外測試遇到狀況協助debug。零件
缺料、EoL的backup plan,新料導入如何用最精簡的人力去檢視是否有side effect...
這些東西沒有一定程度的相關知識背景做得來嗎?
講真的在別的角度來看也沒比較簡單多少,所以跟IC廠比起來最為人詬病的就是CP值吧
工時、加班沒少太多,本業外雜事比較多,薪水差3倍起跳。這也是產業、市場結構的問
題,扣掉PR95+的特例,同樣PR值的系統廠工程師年薪可能還有同樣PR值會計師快兩倍,
有人可能會說EE大學研究所比較難考,那EE比ME呢? 我覺得機械體系的應該完全沒有好唸
,分數也沒差多少。系統廠還算比上不足比下有餘啦,整體薪資在台灣產業應該也有個
PR70,在就業市場上也是養了不少人。
我覺得可以笑系統廠錢比較少、事情比較雜、上層腦洞思維不切實際。但是程度比較差,
人人可做? 我覺得不一定,不用拿最差的那幾個例子來放大解釋。大家都吃人頭祿的打工
仔,沒必要這樣文人相輕啦。
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