給PHD同道的科技業求職分享(2) - 工程師
By Oliver
at 2015-05-15T14:25
at 2015-05-15T14:25
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算是幫自己的上篇文章做個結尾,
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Tech_Job/M.1430232065.A.F2B.html
古有二桃殺三士,上篇文也直接間接勸掉我兩個博班學弟......
我老闆大概想掐死我......
前幾天終於拿到紙本offer,找工作這是總算是塵埃落定,
其實上回文章出來後也是有些風波,
先是文章看來是被轉到facebbok,讓某些老師看到,
於是有兩個認識的大老先後說要幫丟履歷到工研所長以及GG處長,
另外早前已經給我口頭offer的上市小公司,又打來說副總說要見我,
老實說我都已經與台北諸親友在吃惜別飯了,
這場副總面又讓我失眠了好幾個晚上,
實際見到副總,副總超級客氣,超級親切,超級稱讚,
..........但我還是不知道他要不要我.........
因為之前所有面試也都是開心面談,談完收卡,
在得到小公司副總面的回應前,在介紹下又去工研院面試,
可以想像,又是非常愉快,一天又四面:工程師->經理->組長->副所長,
加上有大老介紹,整個是無往而不利啊,
但工程師跟經理是再三跟我強調裏頭現在很操,
跟網路說的完全不一樣,要我有心理準備,
在部門賺錢之前,加班也不可能報加班費,
如果是期待公務員生活就別來了,
面完工研的一兩天後就收到小公司的正式offer,
薪水上,以GG今年新人博近200w(夜鷹學弟說的)來看,
小公司不加簽約金大概是GG新人博的70%,
在錢上,我面過的公司中,GG還是無敵的,
但小公司處長強調會正常上下班,最差也會讓你回家做,
所以就客氣回絕大老幫丟履歷給GG處長,決心去小公司了,
總的來說,phd找工作真的是很難,
或許phd的薪水對大部分公司都算是沉重負擔,
尤其是沒有業界經驗的菜鳥博,所以他們總是要再三確認,
以我至今唯一真正拿到offer的小公司為例,
一面是處長,二面協理,三面人資主管,四面副總,前後分別跑了四趟,
真的面到天荒地老,實際時間真的是整整超過了一個月.....
最後人資跟我說,副總說一定要把我留下,如果我有到其他offer薪水可以再談,
不好意思跟人資說只有你們給我offer啊,嗚嗚嗚嗚嗚,
即使副總這麼照顧,甚至幫我算了研究助理跟博後的年資,
但說真的,不是學長把我履歷直接寄給處長,我是連人資招募那關都過不了的,
...因為......
...........因為.....104上那職缺要求五年以上經歷.......
處長一面時就跟我說,因為學長的推薦,他才考慮嘗試我的潛力.....
所以在被通知要四面副總時我心中如履薄冰啊......
找工作期間三不五時還會有學術界朋友說:"台GG你們112GIEE畢業不是隨便投隨便進喔"
,
朋友可能完全無惡意,但聽在耳裡,心裡那個傷啊,
當初收到GG感謝卡時,就是因為市場上大家都說112進GG超簡單,
所以覺得太羞恥,家人女友朋友我一概說沒收到回音,其實我早就收到感謝函啦,
GG真的沒那麼簡單,別再給菜鳥博壓力了....Orz
然後做過GG的計畫真的有幫助,幾乎所有其他公司都很愛聊GG那個5-7nm計畫,
有在產學大聯盟的學弟可以參與GG計畫就盡量參與,主管們都超愛聊的,
phd找工作,人脈40%,運氣40%,能力20%吧,
因為沒人脈運氣,連給人看能力的機會都沒有.....
...........另外聽到我的決定後,當初要招我的黨國大老說(我)格局太小.....
最後附上這陣子我得到第一手聽到學長朋友的起薪給大家參考:
Berkeley博後:5w鎂/年 (朋友說他房租1000鎂/月)
UCLA博後:5w鎂/年 (朋友說他房租600鎂/月)
Berkeley助理教授:10w鎂/年
桃園前段私立大學電機助理教授:~10w台幣/月*13.5
Berkeley CS碩在矽谷:11w鎂/年 (CP值爆表)
中研院院聘博後:7.9w台幣/月*13.5 (競爭瘋狂激烈,三年一簽)
一般科技部博後:5.7w台幣/月*13.5 (看老闆爽,也有學長加到7、8w台幣/月)
阿布達比博後:5.5w鎂/年,不扣稅,含食宿(五星級套房),每年一張來回機票
台GG新人博:190~200w台幣/年 (不知有無含夜鷹加給,因為是夜鷹學弟說的)
ASML博級:(台GG給薪)*(2/3~3/4) (保證正常上下班)
南亞科:(5.4w台幣/月+校名加給數k)*15 (112博加完加給約6w台幣/月)
台達研究院博級:(5.7w台幣/月)*15 (朋友說氣氛極佳,保證正常上下班)
工研院新人博級:"比你博後薪水多一點啦",人資如是說
要去的小公司(+三年助理博後經驗):130w+兩年約的簽約獎金30w
上述的薪水都沒詳細算入伙食費或不定期補助之類的,
這些朋友聊也不會特別說,有些誤差勿怪。
--
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Tech_Job/M.1430232065.A.F2B.html
古有二桃殺三士,上篇文也直接間接勸掉我兩個博班學弟......
我老闆大概想掐死我......
前幾天終於拿到紙本offer,找工作這是總算是塵埃落定,
其實上回文章出來後也是有些風波,
先是文章看來是被轉到facebbok,讓某些老師看到,
於是有兩個認識的大老先後說要幫丟履歷到工研所長以及GG處長,
另外早前已經給我口頭offer的上市小公司,又打來說副總說要見我,
老實說我都已經與台北諸親友在吃惜別飯了,
這場副總面又讓我失眠了好幾個晚上,
實際見到副總,副總超級客氣,超級親切,超級稱讚,
..........但我還是不知道他要不要我.........
因為之前所有面試也都是開心面談,談完收卡,
在得到小公司副總面的回應前,在介紹下又去工研院面試,
可以想像,又是非常愉快,一天又四面:工程師->經理->組長->副所長,
加上有大老介紹,整個是無往而不利啊,
但工程師跟經理是再三跟我強調裏頭現在很操,
跟網路說的完全不一樣,要我有心理準備,
在部門賺錢之前,加班也不可能報加班費,
如果是期待公務員生活就別來了,
面完工研的一兩天後就收到小公司的正式offer,
薪水上,以GG今年新人博近200w(夜鷹學弟說的)來看,
小公司不加簽約金大概是GG新人博的70%,
在錢上,我面過的公司中,GG還是無敵的,
但小公司處長強調會正常上下班,最差也會讓你回家做,
所以就客氣回絕大老幫丟履歷給GG處長,決心去小公司了,
總的來說,phd找工作真的是很難,
或許phd的薪水對大部分公司都算是沉重負擔,
尤其是沒有業界經驗的菜鳥博,所以他們總是要再三確認,
以我至今唯一真正拿到offer的小公司為例,
一面是處長,二面協理,三面人資主管,四面副總,前後分別跑了四趟,
真的面到天荒地老,實際時間真的是整整超過了一個月.....
最後人資跟我說,副總說一定要把我留下,如果我有到其他offer薪水可以再談,
不好意思跟人資說只有你們給我offer啊,嗚嗚嗚嗚嗚,
即使副總這麼照顧,甚至幫我算了研究助理跟博後的年資,
但說真的,不是學長把我履歷直接寄給處長,我是連人資招募那關都過不了的,
...因為......
...........因為.....104上那職缺要求五年以上經歷.......
處長一面時就跟我說,因為學長的推薦,他才考慮嘗試我的潛力.....
所以在被通知要四面副總時我心中如履薄冰啊......
找工作期間三不五時還會有學術界朋友說:"台GG你們112GIEE畢業不是隨便投隨便進喔"
,
朋友可能完全無惡意,但聽在耳裡,心裡那個傷啊,
當初收到GG感謝卡時,就是因為市場上大家都說112進GG超簡單,
所以覺得太羞恥,家人女友朋友我一概說沒收到回音,其實我早就收到感謝函啦,
GG真的沒那麼簡單,別再給菜鳥博壓力了....Orz
然後做過GG的計畫真的有幫助,幾乎所有其他公司都很愛聊GG那個5-7nm計畫,
有在產學大聯盟的學弟可以參與GG計畫就盡量參與,主管們都超愛聊的,
phd找工作,人脈40%,運氣40%,能力20%吧,
因為沒人脈運氣,連給人看能力的機會都沒有.....
...........另外聽到我的決定後,當初要招我的黨國大老說(我)格局太小.....
最後附上這陣子我得到第一手聽到學長朋友的起薪給大家參考:
Berkeley博後:5w鎂/年 (朋友說他房租1000鎂/月)
UCLA博後:5w鎂/年 (朋友說他房租600鎂/月)
Berkeley助理教授:10w鎂/年
桃園前段私立大學電機助理教授:~10w台幣/月*13.5
Berkeley CS碩在矽谷:11w鎂/年 (CP值爆表)
中研院院聘博後:7.9w台幣/月*13.5 (競爭瘋狂激烈,三年一簽)
一般科技部博後:5.7w台幣/月*13.5 (看老闆爽,也有學長加到7、8w台幣/月)
阿布達比博後:5.5w鎂/年,不扣稅,含食宿(五星級套房),每年一張來回機票
台GG新人博:190~200w台幣/年 (不知有無含夜鷹加給,因為是夜鷹學弟說的)
ASML博級:(台GG給薪)*(2/3~3/4) (保證正常上下班)
南亞科:(5.4w台幣/月+校名加給數k)*15 (112博加完加給約6w台幣/月)
台達研究院博級:(5.7w台幣/月)*15 (朋友說氣氛極佳,保證正常上下班)
工研院新人博級:"比你博後薪水多一點啦",人資如是說
要去的小公司(+三年助理博後經驗):130w+兩年約的簽約獎金30w
上述的薪水都沒詳細算入伙食費或不定期補助之類的,
這些朋友聊也不會特別說,有些誤差勿怪。
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