華為offer - 工程師
By Oscar
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很多人說我瞎扯,
我想事情都已經過一段時間了,一切也都物是全非,
所以就在這邊說清楚講明白好了,
我說的一直是事實,也是我自己的經驗,
但是一直沒有人相信,
我曾經待過華為19-20級,
我的report line: 我 -> 我老闆 -> CTO -> CEO,
北京上地的北京華為大廈,
裡頭有三層是我們部門的,
我在北京有帶一個team,
當然不只在北京,很多地方都有我們的組,
麒麟,達文西,鲲鹏等晶片我都有參與開發,
當年加入的時候公司要給用國家級人才的方式給我北京戶口,
但是當時我想要綠卡跟美國公民,所以拒絕了
故事要回到源頭說起,
重點在我的故事跟CTO的故事,
尤其CTO的故事非常精彩,
我已經說過了,去華為的"非大陸人"大多是路走不下去或是薪資過低,
我就是個例子,當年我的同事也都是這樣的例子,
我堅持做CPU,做到後來找不到工作,
業界自製ARM CPU的公司全都收掉不做,只剩蘋果一家,
剩下的公司全都跟ARM買CPU,
再加上我的薪水一直被嚴重壓低,
華為是我的唯一offer, 也是唯一的路,
我也曾經問過我第一份工作的直屬老闆,
現在ARM當大VP, 問他有沒有職缺讓我繼續CPU生涯,
他說他手上有TX, AZ跟台灣team,
就是沒有矽谷的team,
他說要是我願意到TX, AZ或台灣,隨時歡迎我加入
但是後來ARM台灣被併入ARM中國
當年找我的時候是說華為要自制ARM CPU,
需要我在ARM CPU架構設計與驗證的經驗,
讓我在北京帶一個team,
薪水還是及不上軟體工程師,
但是已經是我之前薪水的加倍,
雖然很辛苦,但是我當時是真心覺得會在華為退休,
因為這很可能是我CPU生涯的最後一站,
事實也是,因為之後我就改做AI,
項目成功之後,我在北京的team就被拔掉,
有了基本的架構跟代碼,
第二代之後就是在基礎上繼續推進,
讓大陸那邊內部培養的人接手,
我就負責解不了的問題,
我知道差不多要中年失業了,
所以我一直有在學習最新的AI技術還跑去學校上課,
後來發生一件大事情讓我的處境反轉,
麒麟有一個非常大的bug,
tape-out 三次都無法解決問題,
kernel, driver, os等也都檢查過也更新過修過,
全都沒用,完全不知道問題在哪裡,
然後手機再幾個月就要發佈了,
也就是說如果這個月內無法解決這問題,
華為旗艦手機當年就完蛋了,
這個bug一定要跑軟體系統層面才會遇到,
所以只有非常精通系統軟體的人才有辦法抓到並且解決問題,
但是他們一直誤會一件事情,
他們一直以為我的專長是硬體設計方面,
其實我最強的是系統軟體,
最後在無計可施的情況下,
只好叫我去幫忙抓看看問題,原本要我飛去上海看,
結果我在一兩天的視訊War room裡頭就把問題抓出來也解決,
這次之後北京team又回到我手上,
請我幫忙開發系統軟體,我也因為這個戰功升上20級
其實我不怪華為之前拔掉我的硬體開發team,
因為我知道這是公司上層的戰略考量,
加入華為也只是我職業生涯最後一步免強繼續我的CPU生涯,
其實我是感謝華為給我這個機會延續職業生涯並且找出突破的機會,
在還沒加入華為之前我就已經有中年失業的打算,
尤其當你看到所有自製ARM CPU的公司全都收掉的時候,
心裡就已經有底了,
所以我在華為的時間一直在學習也嘗試新的專業領域發展,
我跟華為的同事們一直都處得非常好,
甚至離職之後還是有再聯絡,
也常會去北京拜訪他們,
尤其是北京大總管,就是管著北京團隊,
在北京華為待了二十幾年,
我跟他還是很要好的朋友,
他常會跟我說北京很有趣的事情
原本想說CTO的故事,
但是篇幅有限,大家也不見得有興趣聽,
要是想聽的話,我之後再發文回覆吧
※ 引述《waitrop (嘴砲無雙)》之銘言:
: 標題: Re: [討論] 華為offer
: 時間: Wed Nov 25 16:36:40 2020
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: 還是忍不住回了,
: 結論是你的人生要自己決定,
: 別人不能幫你決定,
: 去華為不是最好的決定,
: 但是一定比你現在公司拿一百萬還要好很多,
: 我個人認為你最好的選擇應該是要去嘗試GG, applied materials之類的公司,
:
: 去華為絕對是沒有任何職業發展的機會,有的就是錢,
: 再加上大陸project時間都壓很緊,
: 大部份都一年很少超過兩年的project,
: 第一代project做完,
: 公司主力培養的人學完,
: 你的處境就會很尷尬可有可無,
: 所以去華為要有兩三年內找到下家好公司的打算,
: 基本上去大陸的公司都是差不多這樣的情況,
: 至於說去華為被封殺這種事情你就不要太在意了,
: 首先你只是超級底層工程師,
: 另外拜登上台之後就不會有這些問題了,你懂的
:
: 一般"非大陸人"去華為的就兩種:
: (1) 業界沒路可走,
: (2) 之前薪水過低跟業界標準薪水差太多快活不下去,
: 必須有薪資報復性成長(漲兩倍以上),
: 更多時候是兩種情況都有的人,
: 你的情況比較像是第二種人,
: 不過如果你繼續待在現在的公司,
: 會變成兩種情況都是
:
: 至於說美國念化工就很吃香,這是大錯特錯,
: 化工跟電機硬體十幾年經驗的薪水只有軟體工程師剛畢業生的一半薪水不到,
: 重點是你想要的職業生涯是什麼,
: 你是否要繼續走化工這行,做ACF這題目,
: 或是看開去拼軟體刷題包,
: 有錢有公司名聲就好,管他什麼專業興趣
:
: 我舉我自己的例子,
: 我自己對CPU, OS VM非常有興趣,
: 從學生時代就是做這方面研究,
: 堅持不去走軟體刷題包打掉重做網頁/APP工作,
: 結果十幾年來我的薪水一直只有軟體工程師的一半不到,
: 而且一直在逃難,
: 當年離開高通的時候在路上遇到前公司的台灣同事,
: 那位台灣同事說我是不是被高通裁員整組收掉,
: 他說前公司大家都這樣在說我,
: 反正就是堅持做CPU, OS VM搞到沒路可走,
: 還好後來改作AI晶片跟系統底層,免強找到出路,
: 不然有一陣子我一直以為會不到四十歲就中年失業完全找不到工作
:
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: ※ 引述《unkilik (stay by my side..)》之銘言:
: : 昨天有在猶豫要不要把個人薪資跟offer拿出來讓大家評論,但我一直很好奇化工化學材
: : 料在台灣究竟能獲得怎樣的待遇?
: : 歡迎大家討論看看,明明在美國念化工就很吃香阿,當初聯考也是二類前10志願,為啥畢
: : 業後我的薪水就不如念電資相關科系的。
: : 是不是整個職涯規劃都出現問題?才導致現在這樣呢,我願意拋磚引玉,看看我人生的選
: : 擇到底哪裡有問題
: : 1.從112畢業後(2007)先選擇了群X當國防役,那時兩兆雙星計劃正夯,不是進半導體就是
: : 進面板業,所以面試上群X後就選擇去了,在裡面也算待的不錯,認識了很多人,學了蠻
: : 多東西,工作3年就升到副理。
: : 2.四年國防役結束後,因為個人因素所以選擇去南部工作,也在群X時覺得一直評估材料
: : 評估製程,根本就沒有本質上的knowhow,所以想往材料廠商走,但南部給薪實在偏低,
: : 也沒更好的選擇,只好降薪進到長X,在這7年來都做同一個題目(ACF),一直到最後真的
: : 喪失成就感,我就離開了。離開後沒多久長X也把這題目收起來了。
: : 3.再找第三份工作的時候其實不太好找,最後找到明X做PDLC,看重的是我有ACF bonding
: : 相關經驗,但做沒多久我就被換去做透明投影膜技術。
: : 簡言之我的工作經歷,我做過製程整合,做過製程評估,做過配方,但都是在顯示器產業
: : 打轉。可能從一開始選擇就錯了,還是根本就一直待群X還比較好,這是我一直在思索的
: : 問題。
: : 如今,華為給了一個機會,是要開發ACF材料,剛好可以延續我先前的經驗,對我來說去
: : 試試又何妨,不然台灣有誰能再給我其他機會呢?這是我個人的想法,我個人工作比較偏
: : 重”成就感”,薪資倒是其次(當然也很重要),如何可以發揮自己所長,不想要一直庸庸
: : 碌碌的,不知所云的為了工作而工作,這是我所希望選擇的工作。
: : 如果台企能爭氣一點,沒人會想離鄉背井去陸企賺錢的,現在就是沒更好的機會,除非要
: : 我一直待現職養老。
: : 希望大家理性討論,謝謝。
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