為什麼大家那麼討厭系統廠? - 工程師
By Daniel
at 2022-03-07T19:31
at 2022-03-07T19:31
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你會拿中華職棒跟大聯盟比嗎?
先說結論
1. 中華職棒跟大聯盟 沒有比較的意義
2. 不該用技術觀點 看待系統廠RD
3. 系統廠RD 也是有其存在價值
4. 魯蛇有其魯蛇的生存之道
以下我講的系統廠 指的是台廠系統廠
所以不用說啥
Apple也是系統廠 meta也是系統廠 Amazon也是系統廠
等級不同 OK?
你各位一直拿
一線豬屎屋或FAANG來比
說台廠系統廠又魯又廢
拿中華職棒跟大聯盟比 然後說中華職棒多爛多廢
這不是很奇怪?
台廠系統廠 本來就是技術含量跟錢都不高的場所 是要比啥?
二十年前 台廠系統廠 你要找到四大電資純血的工程師 是很容易der
要說近一點的 十幾年前 H丁ㄈ也還可以找到
到了這年頭 那幾乎不可能 這學歷只會出現在外商或豬屎屋
猛一點的就出國
所以各位明白 當今的台廠系統廠
跟一線豬屎屋或FAANG 壓根就不在同一個檔次
拿來比是沒意義的
所以講到此
中華職棒跟大聯盟 沒有比較的意義
相信大家都認同了 不認同的 我也假設你認同了
再來 系統廠RD 本來專長就不是技術能力
一直鞭屍其技術含量不高 要幹嘛咧?
嗯? 沒技術能力 怎能叫RD?
這樣講啦 竹科一堆阿撒不魯的職位 都可以冠個工程師職稱了
抄抄公版 Call個FAE 冠個RD職稱 很過分嗎?
RD在系統廠 地位也不高啊
Designer在豬屎屋 或許高人一等
上班時 櫃檯小妹會微笑 好吧 長的醜的例外
系統廠RD 出差回來 報個帳還不是要被經管靠北靠木
地位連經管都輸 簡稱輸經管
所以嘛 系統廠的RD 不過就是個名稱
有啥好糾結的? 你要叫雜工也行
你在發哥帝王蟹 照樣法拉利在開啊 人家Toyota也沒擋到你路 是吧?
那系統廠RD 專長是啥?
台灣系統廠做硬體 20%技術 80%打雜&溝通
基本上可以算是Technical PM導向的工作
這就是為啥前面說 一直鞭屍其技術含量不高 意義不大
因為本來就不是技術導向
有些人 技術含量不高
抄公版也好 叫FAE解問題也好 動用所有資源
跨部門協調
最後就是有辦法 讓專案符合上頭的Schedule跟Cost要求 順利量產
這種人 通常很快會變成Project Leader 然後順利的話 就一路升官上去
系統廠通常是紅這種的
技術底子過硬的 在系統廠未必會紅
因為多半會技術看天下 技術鑽太深
但系統廠事情太多 技術鑽太深 其他層面就沒時間顧
也用不到那麼深的技術 別忘了 系統廠RD 技術只占20%
真正主戰場 是80%的打雜&溝通
另外 協調能力可能也不太好 身段不夠柔軟
這種的 很快就會跳去豬屎屋或外商 發揮技術長才
再談談系統廠RD存在價值
經過以上分析 這樣大家都知道
用技術能力去評斷 系統廠RD存在價值 是沒有意義的
因為本來就不是技術導向
要談存在價值 回歸到最基本的市場供需理論
只要有需求 那麼這供給 就有其存在價值 是吧?
就像一堆直播主 你覺得他很鳥 很廢 很胖 附加糖尿病
但他就是有流量 有人願意抖內 那他就有其存在價值
一樣 系統廠RD再廢 只要有職缺 那他就是有其存在價值
就是這麼簡單
https://imgur.com/7Yc7LOz
這就是為啥 IC整合度越來越高 豬屎屋幾乎包辦系統廠工作
說啥系統廠RD要沒飯吃
這種言論 流傳十幾年 卻始終沒實現過
道理在此 用技術需求看待系統廠RD存在價值 就搞錯方向了
願意出錢養系統廠RD的 也是這些系統廠老闆
無損你在發哥帝王蟹的年薪500萬 何必悲憤 是吧?
最後談談 魯蛇的生存之道
魯蛇最重要的任務
不是努力提升自己變強者 能提升就不會是魯蛇了
而是要找到 適合自己生存的地方
雜魚就是要待在水中 才會如魚得水
怎會是去跟猴子比爬樹?
換言之 魯蛇要做的 絕不是什麼走出舒適圈 那是強者思維
而是要找到舒適圈 然後一直舒適下去
不然你以為系統廠 有人一待就十多年 是為了啥?
一樣米養百樣人
以NBA為例 有人37歲 還能單場砍下56分 但有人只能去打CBA
每個地方 不論大或小
就是會呈現常態分布
你就算把範圍縮小到一間公司 甚至是一個Team
也還是會呈現常態分布
更何況是把範圍擴大到整個科技業
怎麼可能每個都強者?
像這樣的人 在系統廠是最舒適的
不然你就算把他推去豬屎屋或外商
能力跟不上 英文不好 技術不夠紮實
也不想努力補強 沒多久就PIP
他也是過得很痛苦
你說他廢 他魯 這都正確
但你說他笨嗎? 這倒未必
俗話說 人貴自知
他知道自己就是雜魚 所以待在水中 不去跟猴子比爬樹
找到了自己的生存之道 舒適地過日子 這好像也不算笨吧
你能力超強 工作精實 開法拉利過日子
人家魯魯 廢廢 混混 領著不怎樣的年薪 開Toyota
也是在過日子啊
努力不一定會成功 但不努力會很輕鬆 有人就是想輕鬆過生活
人各有志 當魯蛇也是一種選擇 即便是不得不的選擇
打NBA是一種榮耀 打SBL是一種熊庹 我是說 態度
至於擔心失業 那就更不必了
他失業也不會是你在養啊 你擔心啥?
更何況少子化 + 豬屎屋&外商大舉徵人
系統廠都缺人缺到爆了 要砍人那更難了
都知道系統廠低薪了 願意領低薪 哪還有失業的道理?
總之 系統廠 大富大貴無可能
但耍廢養老 是個好選擇
所以 開法拉利的
先想想如何讓櫃台小妹對你微笑 比較實際
就別在Toyota上種植優越感了
--
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--
先說結論
1. 中華職棒跟大聯盟 沒有比較的意義
2. 不該用技術觀點 看待系統廠RD
3. 系統廠RD 也是有其存在價值
4. 魯蛇有其魯蛇的生存之道
以下我講的系統廠 指的是台廠系統廠
所以不用說啥
Apple也是系統廠 meta也是系統廠 Amazon也是系統廠
等級不同 OK?
你各位一直拿
一線豬屎屋或FAANG來比
說台廠系統廠又魯又廢
拿中華職棒跟大聯盟比 然後說中華職棒多爛多廢
這不是很奇怪?
台廠系統廠 本來就是技術含量跟錢都不高的場所 是要比啥?
二十年前 台廠系統廠 你要找到四大電資純血的工程師 是很容易der
要說近一點的 十幾年前 H丁ㄈ也還可以找到
到了這年頭 那幾乎不可能 這學歷只會出現在外商或豬屎屋
猛一點的就出國
所以各位明白 當今的台廠系統廠
跟一線豬屎屋或FAANG 壓根就不在同一個檔次
拿來比是沒意義的
所以講到此
中華職棒跟大聯盟 沒有比較的意義
相信大家都認同了 不認同的 我也假設你認同了
再來 系統廠RD 本來專長就不是技術能力
一直鞭屍其技術含量不高 要幹嘛咧?
嗯? 沒技術能力 怎能叫RD?
這樣講啦 竹科一堆阿撒不魯的職位 都可以冠個工程師職稱了
抄抄公版 Call個FAE 冠個RD職稱 很過分嗎?
RD在系統廠 地位也不高啊
Designer在豬屎屋 或許高人一等
上班時 櫃檯小妹會微笑 好吧 長的醜的例外
系統廠RD 出差回來 報個帳還不是要被經管靠北靠木
地位連經管都輸 簡稱輸經管
所以嘛 系統廠的RD 不過就是個名稱
有啥好糾結的? 你要叫雜工也行
你在發哥帝王蟹 照樣法拉利在開啊 人家Toyota也沒擋到你路 是吧?
那系統廠RD 專長是啥?
台灣系統廠做硬體 20%技術 80%打雜&溝通
基本上可以算是Technical PM導向的工作
這就是為啥前面說 一直鞭屍其技術含量不高 意義不大
因為本來就不是技術導向
有些人 技術含量不高
抄公版也好 叫FAE解問題也好 動用所有資源
跨部門協調
最後就是有辦法 讓專案符合上頭的Schedule跟Cost要求 順利量產
這種人 通常很快會變成Project Leader 然後順利的話 就一路升官上去
系統廠通常是紅這種的
技術底子過硬的 在系統廠未必會紅
因為多半會技術看天下 技術鑽太深
但系統廠事情太多 技術鑽太深 其他層面就沒時間顧
也用不到那麼深的技術 別忘了 系統廠RD 技術只占20%
真正主戰場 是80%的打雜&溝通
另外 協調能力可能也不太好 身段不夠柔軟
這種的 很快就會跳去豬屎屋或外商 發揮技術長才
再談談系統廠RD存在價值
經過以上分析 這樣大家都知道
用技術能力去評斷 系統廠RD存在價值 是沒有意義的
因為本來就不是技術導向
要談存在價值 回歸到最基本的市場供需理論
只要有需求 那麼這供給 就有其存在價值 是吧?
就像一堆直播主 你覺得他很鳥 很廢 很胖 附加糖尿病
但他就是有流量 有人願意抖內 那他就有其存在價值
一樣 系統廠RD再廢 只要有職缺 那他就是有其存在價值
就是這麼簡單
https://imgur.com/7Yc7LOz
這就是為啥 IC整合度越來越高 豬屎屋幾乎包辦系統廠工作
說啥系統廠RD要沒飯吃
這種言論 流傳十幾年 卻始終沒實現過
道理在此 用技術需求看待系統廠RD存在價值 就搞錯方向了
願意出錢養系統廠RD的 也是這些系統廠老闆
無損你在發哥帝王蟹的年薪500萬 何必悲憤 是吧?
最後談談 魯蛇的生存之道
魯蛇最重要的任務
不是努力提升自己變強者 能提升就不會是魯蛇了
而是要找到 適合自己生存的地方
雜魚就是要待在水中 才會如魚得水
怎會是去跟猴子比爬樹?
換言之 魯蛇要做的 絕不是什麼走出舒適圈 那是強者思維
而是要找到舒適圈 然後一直舒適下去
不然你以為系統廠 有人一待就十多年 是為了啥?
一樣米養百樣人
以NBA為例 有人37歲 還能單場砍下56分 但有人只能去打CBA
每個地方 不論大或小
就是會呈現常態分布
你就算把範圍縮小到一間公司 甚至是一個Team
也還是會呈現常態分布
更何況是把範圍擴大到整個科技業
怎麼可能每個都強者?
像這樣的人 在系統廠是最舒適的
不然你就算把他推去豬屎屋或外商
能力跟不上 英文不好 技術不夠紮實
也不想努力補強 沒多久就PIP
他也是過得很痛苦
你說他廢 他魯 這都正確
但你說他笨嗎? 這倒未必
俗話說 人貴自知
他知道自己就是雜魚 所以待在水中 不去跟猴子比爬樹
找到了自己的生存之道 舒適地過日子 這好像也不算笨吧
你能力超強 工作精實 開法拉利過日子
人家魯魯 廢廢 混混 領著不怎樣的年薪 開Toyota
也是在過日子啊
努力不一定會成功 但不努力會很輕鬆 有人就是想輕鬆過生活
人各有志 當魯蛇也是一種選擇 即便是不得不的選擇
打NBA是一種榮耀 打SBL是一種熊庹 我是說 態度
至於擔心失業 那就更不必了
他失業也不會是你在養啊 你擔心啥?
更何況少子化 + 豬屎屋&外商大舉徵人
系統廠都缺人缺到爆了 要砍人那更難了
都知道系統廠低薪了 願意領低薪 哪還有失業的道理?
總之 系統廠 大富大貴無可能
但耍廢養老 是個好選擇
所以 開法拉利的
先想想如何讓櫃台小妹對你微笑 比較實際
就別在Toyota上種植優越感了
--
posted from Ios bbs reader on my B.B. Call
--
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