現在年代在撥年金制度,李處長好勇猛!! - 薪水
By Ula
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為什麼要拉公務員去鬥勞工?
勞工領的錢還有福利並沒比公務員好
如果勞工比較好的話,你怎麼不去當勞工?
而且你家是不是有人領18%
談到18%的問題就拿信賴保護原則出來擋
而且你下面的算法都有問題
沒有人是拿不同標準的本金來計算兩方的退休金
我前一篇就已經算的很仔細了
要算就是拿兩者相近的標準來算才對
兩者都以60歲退休,年資30年來算(90制)
像是五職等本俸370
本俸是24440,專業加給18910,月薪43350
這樣算下來才是正常的
而勞保乙案的超過3萬的年資給付率只有1.3%
也就是勞保年金只有 43900 x 1.3% x 30 x (1-減給比例4% x 5) = 13697
另外複利這種東西不要亂用,多2、3%算下來的差額很大
像前幾年虧幾百億的時候,這個利率還是負的!!
所以勞退只能用政府保證的2%來算,每個月也只有13071
如果繳費額拉到19.5%的話,勞工要多付很多
另外公務員算法則是最後15年的平均俸額x 1.6 x 年資30 x 2%
也就是說可拿到的月退俸=本俸24440 x 1.6 x 30 x 2% =23462
而公保年金的算法是本俸x年資x年金給付率最高1.3取0.65 = 4766
勞工(乙案) 公務員(本俸x1.6)
繳費額 4346元 (1712+2634) 2759元 (2053+706)
月領 26768元 (13697+13071) 28228元(23462+4766)
薪資 43900元 43350元
替代率 60% 65%
而且所得替代率不能拿月退金去除以實領薪資吧
如果某方繳了超多保費,他的實領薪資會少很多
這樣所得替代率不就會飆高?
像是拿40000元的人繳1000保費,實領39000
跟繳5000保費,實領35000,
如果拿相同的月退去除,後者的所得替代率就變高很多
再用勞工主管都沒自提的費用來跟科長比較
你的88790是職等10,俸點710,本俸是47080
所以公退是47080x1.6x30x2%=45197
公保年金是47080x30x0.65%=9181
勞工(乙案) 公務員(職五) 公務員(職10科長)
繳費額 1712元 (無自提2634) 2759元 (2053+706) 7050元(5872+1178)
月領 27408元(13697+13711) 28228元(23462+4766) 54378元(45197+9181)
新資 88790元(與職10科長同) 43350元 88790元
替代率 31% 65% 61%
另外勞工能到43900大多都是主管級的薪水
而公務員的五職等是高考三級進去就有了
你拿主管去比一個普通公務員,會不會差太大
再加上公務員沒有天花板的限制
所以領到的錢還是比一般勞工好很多
不要再亂造謠,讓公務員跟勞工搞對立
現在該改的是上層那堆領18%的人
一堆人沒繳錢還領月退領很爽
害後面的年輕軍公教要一直增加保費去補他們的漏洞
18% 保費 退休年齡 其他福利 工作內容
年輕軍公教 無 爆增 60~65UP 驟減 爆增
退休軍公教 有 免費 50~55 全部都有 無
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勞工領的錢還有福利並沒比公務員好
如果勞工比較好的話,你怎麼不去當勞工?
而且你家是不是有人領18%
談到18%的問題就拿信賴保護原則出來擋
而且你下面的算法都有問題
沒有人是拿不同標準的本金來計算兩方的退休金
我前一篇就已經算的很仔細了
要算就是拿兩者相近的標準來算才對
兩者都以60歲退休,年資30年來算(90制)
像是五職等本俸370
本俸是24440,專業加給18910,月薪43350
這樣算下來才是正常的
而勞保乙案的超過3萬的年資給付率只有1.3%
也就是勞保年金只有 43900 x 1.3% x 30 x (1-減給比例4% x 5) = 13697
另外複利這種東西不要亂用,多2、3%算下來的差額很大
像前幾年虧幾百億的時候,這個利率還是負的!!
所以勞退只能用政府保證的2%來算,每個月也只有13071
如果繳費額拉到19.5%的話,勞工要多付很多
另外公務員算法則是最後15年的平均俸額x 1.6 x 年資30 x 2%
也就是說可拿到的月退俸=本俸24440 x 1.6 x 30 x 2% =23462
而公保年金的算法是本俸x年資x年金給付率最高1.3取0.65 = 4766
勞工(乙案) 公務員(本俸x1.6)
繳費額 4346元 (1712+2634) 2759元 (2053+706)
月領 26768元 (13697+13071) 28228元(23462+4766)
薪資 43900元 43350元
替代率 60% 65%
而且所得替代率不能拿月退金去除以實領薪資吧
如果某方繳了超多保費,他的實領薪資會少很多
這樣所得替代率不就會飆高?
像是拿40000元的人繳1000保費,實領39000
跟繳5000保費,實領35000,
如果拿相同的月退去除,後者的所得替代率就變高很多
再用勞工主管都沒自提的費用來跟科長比較
你的88790是職等10,俸點710,本俸是47080
所以公退是47080x1.6x30x2%=45197
公保年金是47080x30x0.65%=9181
勞工(乙案) 公務員(職五) 公務員(職10科長)
繳費額 1712元 (無自提2634) 2759元 (2053+706) 7050元(5872+1178)
月領 27408元(13697+13711) 28228元(23462+4766) 54378元(45197+9181)
新資 88790元(與職10科長同) 43350元 88790元
替代率 31% 65% 61%
另外勞工能到43900大多都是主管級的薪水
而公務員的五職等是高考三級進去就有了
你拿主管去比一個普通公務員,會不會差太大
再加上公務員沒有天花板的限制
所以領到的錢還是比一般勞工好很多
不要再亂造謠,讓公務員跟勞工搞對立
現在該改的是上層那堆領18%的人
一堆人沒繳錢還領月退領很爽
害後面的年輕軍公教要一直增加保費去補他們的漏洞
18% 保費 退休年齡 其他福利 工作內容
年輕軍公教 無 爆增 60~65UP 驟減 爆增
退休軍公教 有 免費 50~55 全部都有 無
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