組員質疑是對的 要怎麼故作鎮靜 - 工程師
By Andrew
at 2019-11-23T05:33
at 2019-11-23T05:33
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組員才來三個月而已(她之前沒做過這方面的工作
我已經待了快四年了
前陣子在我教她的時候
她提出另外一個可以怎麼改的想法
當下因為之前都是這樣沒多想
直接回她不可能啊
但兩個禮拜後私底下測試後
發現她才是對的...
這時候該怎麼辦?THE藏?該告訴她嗎?
還是跟上級的說就好?
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※ 編輯: PANG920 (123.204.158.98 臺灣), 11/24/2019 05:34:54
我已經待了快四年了
前陣子在我教她的時候
她提出另外一個可以怎麼改的想法
當下因為之前都是這樣沒多想
直接回她不可能啊
但兩個禮拜後私底下測試後
發現她才是對的...
這時候該怎麼辦?THE藏?該告訴她嗎?
還是跟上級的說就好?
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https://i.imgur.com/IfmCGhF.jpg
liverpool三本柱!!!
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推 senjor: 直接照實說,然後稱讚她啊。 11/23 05:55
→ royant399: 如果他當初語氣是質疑,我可能會當不知道,如果他語氣 11/23 05:58
→ royant399: 是建議,我會跟上級報告,並提到他的功勞。 11/23 05:58
推 mathrew: 稱讚她啊 是有多拉不下臉........ 11/23 06:32
→ mathrew: 講個妳是對的 有很難嗎? 11/23 06:33
→ mathrew: 這種的才應該認真教 努力留 多的是新人不想學 不想去 11/23 06:35
→ mathrew: 思考 反正資深的講什麼就是什麼 11/23 06:35
推 SentLiTryPay: 改變從今天開始 別藏了 11/23 06:59
推 jumber: 就改進,有什好藏的! 11/23 07:04
推 gamesame7711: 我面子都會直拉下來誇讚他 11/23 07:09
→ kitune: 拉攏她啊不會喔 11/23 07:15
推 DFM: 技術面前人人平等,如果因為年資高拉不下臉,那不就是老屁股 11/23 07:15
→ DFM: 常做的事情嗎? 11/23 07:15
推 darkangel119: 看看半澤植樹 你再想想看 11/23 07:17
推 ptta: 好好稱讚她,然後都給她做,下次應該就不敢了 11/23 07:43
推 clement80161: 土下座 11/23 07:44
推 ken859142: 快稱讚跟改進了啦! 11/23 07:45
推 Rocker5566: 辭職謝罪 11/23 07:50
推 k0030: 有長官跟我說過,技術職是不分職位的 11/23 07:57
噓 xenium: 承認錯誤很難嗎 11/23 08:11
推 pttnowash: 她正嗎? 大嗎? 態度好嗎? 11/23 08:22
推 snoopy790428: 改天他問別人你就炸了 11/23 08:23
推 gimmy5566: 推文有些就是倚老賣老的老屁股,錯了死不承認,還要看 11/23 08:28
→ gimmy5566: 對方的態度再決定要不要讓他拿功勞,這種行為根本王八 11/23 08:28
→ gimmy5566: 蛋老人,低頭讚賞他人辦不到?難過進步這麼難。可悲 11/23 08:28
推 nova06091: 大聲斥責她 11/23 08:31
推 MinJun5566: 稱讚啊 11/23 08:34
推 michaelgodtw: 不然誰要幫你做事? 11/23 08:39
推 shaoweei: 資遣他但是履歷給我 11/23 08:41
推 laputaca: 還要看口氣,哭哭 11/23 08:43
推 covermegogo: 我本想大聲斥責妳的 11/23 08:51
推 yaes111: 直接坦白啊 很難? 11/23 08:52
推 zzz2794: 這到底有什麼好藏的 11/23 08:54
推 pollymina: 拉下臉來稱讚別人很難嗎?浪費時間在驗證錯誤的事情 大 11/23 08:54
→ pollymina: 家來上班都是想解決問題 對事不對人 但有的主管卻到處 11/23 08:54
→ pollymina: 製造問題.... 11/23 08:54
推 daisy77117: 問這啥小問題 11/23 08:55
→ pollymina: 因為我之前的狀況就跟那個女組員一樣QQ 11/23 08:56
HEHE跟我狀況很像啊QQ 推 rattrapante: 大男人內心小劇場 11/23 09:03
推 offstage: 稱讚她,然後跟她要電話約吃飯阿 11/23 09:04
推 rock2345: 拜託不要在這種小事耍心機 11/23 09:10
噓 nanco5566: 你辭職吧 公司有你這種人 真慘 11/23 09:12
推 shyshyan: 快被2樓笑死 在哪高就 分享一下讓大家別去 11/23 09:16
推 resy: 稱讚她啊! 11/23 09:16
推 waitingbff: the 藏是哪招.. 這跟那些不要臉的政治人物有什麼分別 11/23 09:17
→ shyshyan: 連思考連試過都沒有 直接回不可能就比較厲害哦 11/23 09:17
→ shyshyan: 這種人的態度最棒了 11/23 09:18
→ rainylife: 其實你就是那個新來的組員吧 11/23 09:19
我這個人呢,最不會反串了,不唬~ 推 caresomes: 你菜鳥時期,如果討厭只會出張嘴的老屁股,那你就別變 11/23 09:20
→ caresomes: 成這些倚老賣老的老屁股 11/23 09:20
推 compass9981: 就是有你這種人 職場體驗才會變差 菜鳥時期主管的鼓 11/23 09:20
→ compass9981: 勵真的是很大的動力 11/23 09:20
噓 Dontco: 看到你就想到我主管 別人的建樹都當成自己的功勞 台灣職 11/23 09:26
→ Dontco: 場的亂象 11/23 09:26
噓 CORYCHAN: 連這個都要問 可悲 11/23 09:28
噓 timwu1130: 廢物老人 11/23 09:29
噓 zonppp: 老實講是有多難 11/23 09:30
推 SacrificesPi: 還好我主管會聽人意見 11/23 09:32
噓 s06yji3: 唉唉 11/23 09:33
噓 t19960804: 可撥老鳥 11/23 09:35
噓 Howlongbin: 廢物老人 看口氣是怎樣 不能被挑戰? 11/23 09:35
推 FlyBird: 大聲叫好啊,然後直接約出去感謝啊 11/23 09:36
→ ms9831117: 你是不是一天到晚擔心別人搶你飯碗? 11/23 09:42
噓 book2381: 很棒,弄走他呀 11/23 09:46
→ R3210: 說實話連這種小事都上來問 當初會選你當主管的人應該也很有 11/23 09:46
→ R3210: 問題 11/23 09:46
推 attented: 稱讚他,把他培養成你的左右手 11/23 09:49
噓 princepisces: 娶回家 11/23 09:51
推 v7q4: 部下的功勞是上司的東西,上司的失敗是部下的責任 11/23 09:59
太棒惹!!! 噓 wbw: 這種事都無法判斷,好意思當主管? 11/23 10:05
噓 coolmayday: 對的事情不說不做 你的邏輯還好嗎? 11/23 10:07
噓 Neistpoint: 廢物菜鳥組長, 當然當面認錯並推薦給你的主管 11/23 10:11
推 ENCOREH33456: 幹XD 11/23 10:13
噓 oncemore: 從第一句就滿滿的擺老心態 11/23 10:16
噓 forever9801: 就是最討厭這種不思考先反駁擺老的 11/23 10:17
噓 lp123gbaj: 跟她求婚 11/23 10:19
→ horse2819: 大家討厭的老人94這樣 11/23 10:20
推 potential208: 願意做測試驗證還上來問不錯了吧? 11/23 10:21
推 poswem: is it a question? 11/23 10:22
推 s1023: 改變一下吧 11/23 10:27
→ s1023: 我就是因為有公司的人大多都像你這樣我才跳美商的 11/23 10:28
算你運氣好有跳成功~ 噓 yuhancheng19: 這種你不稱讚他 保證沒多久走人 11/23 10:30
推 john97611017: 職業老屁股 11/23 10:30
推 leotompp: 你只是運氣好 剛好比她早進去...... 11/23 10:31
噓 soliboy: 當成你自己的 去跟上級邀功 再想辦法把新人弄走 11/23 10:34
噓 WWIII: 找個機會1把他弄走 11/23 10:34
→ PTTcrazy: 恭喜你,團隊又變更強了 11/23 10:35
推 physicsdk: 遇到這種人,你待幾年都不值得拿來嘴,遲早要被他超越 11/23 10:36
→ physicsdk: ,善待他以後拉你一個把,或是幫別人推你一把 11/23 10:36
噓 Philethan: 一堆廢物老人 11/23 10:39
推 physicsdk: 邀功背後捅刀這種事,用一兩次可以,之後就自己看著辦 11/23 10:40
→ physicsdk: 嘍,以前實驗室博班很多啊,現在都不敢畢業出來工作只 11/23 10:40
→ physicsdk: 能龜在裡面耍官威,參考參考 11/23 10:40
→ Qcloud: 哈哈糗 11/23 10:42
→ Dustdusk: 面子能吃嗎?學起來才是重點... 11/23 10:43
推 feverh: 看口氣XDDDD 11/23 10:48
推 taffy128s: 誠實有這麼難嗎 你可以不用低聲下氣阿 11/23 10:49
→ taffy128s: 但是承認錯誤並讓大家知道 這是該做的吧.. 11/23 10:49
噓 abc21086999: 啥 11/23 10:51
推 goodlay5566: 拉樁腳當然要拉最強的 11/23 11:02
推 mary1988: 你有把別人的建議放在心上然後去驗證實驗這是很好的行 11/23 11:05
→ mary1988: 為,接下來就做好心理準備跟他說你後來想想發現她的建 11/23 11:05
→ mary1988: 議可行然後謝謝她,跟長官報告的時候也別忘了提到她的 11/23 11:05
→ mary1988: 建議。做不會後悔的事情,不要吃別人豆腐埋沒了他人的貢 11/23 11:05
→ mary1988: 獻,大家才不會彼此猜忌而是一起成長 11/23 11:05
吃豆腐吃起來 推 iPadProPlus: 跟他告白 11/23 11:05
推 huangboy31: 我們公司一堆這種的,包含同事也是,根本仗著自己經驗 11/23 11:06
→ huangboy31: 多拉不下臉 11/23 11:06
噓 ILOVEYAYA: ....唉 11/23 11:06
推 vi000246: 資遣他 然後用他的做法 選我正解 11/23 11:07
這樣好爽喔 推 wheatear7: 跟她說你的測驗結果 稱讚他 這樣很難嗎 11/23 11:08
推 utn875: 這麼小的事,難道有第二個答案? 別把自己做小了 11/23 11:12
推 Archier: 蕩然是挖坑給他跳,然後再爆自己功勞啊 11/23 11:16
噓 m9903249: 虛心承認別人的能力有什麼好丟臉 11/23 11:18
噓 Merkle: 什麼科技業老害心態錯了就錯了 11/23 11:20
噓 grezod: 一開始沒做好驗證就否定別人 事後還要考慮承不承認 11/23 11:36
推 overhead: 當然稱讚他謝謝他啊= = 藏私的話你對得起自己的人格嗎 11/23 11:37
→ overhead: 推mary1988 別做自己會後悔的事情 11/23 11:37
推 h321123aa: 證明你們收到好員工阿…都理工的,實力至上是大家公認 11/23 11:39
→ h321123aa: 的價值觀吧,有那麼怕丟臉喔 11/23 11:39
→ Alphaz: 日本片很多 我看過 11/23 11:45
推 Kuba4ma: 大聲噴他 誰大聲誰就贏了 11/23 11:54
→ aikotoba: 承認錯誤很難嗎 11/23 12:10
推 jennifer4551: 在你猶豫的時候,已經變成最討厭的大人的樣子囉 11/23 12:12
推 q11010: 直接稱讚她啊 你的威信(如果有的話)並不會因此減少 還順水 11/23 12:22
→ q11010: 推舟做人情 當4年也只是比較不菜而已 沒有偉大到不能犯錯 11/23 12:23
→ avgirl: 他就靜靜看者你裝B.....想要進步就自己拉下臉來虛心求教吧 11/23 12:28
→ avgirl: 不然,終究只會做差不多的事情很多年而已 ~.~ 11/23 12:29
→ avgirl: 你不理他也沒差阿,反正薪水照領不是嗎 11/23 12:31
推 hansioux: 就和她直講,再一起和上司講 11/23 12:34
推 mserway: mary1988 推文說的真好 學習了 11/23 12:37
→ mserway: 想成為有氣量的人 自然知道該怎麼做 11/23 12:39
推 ENCOREH33456: 噓文讓整天心情很好XD 11/23 12:50
推 lightofsky: 她哪天問別人不就發現.... 11/23 13:01
推 godnnn: 當然是大聲斥責他,盡量打壓她,不然被幹掉怎辦 11/23 13:03
→ apolloapollo: THE藏 11/23 13:05
THE不讓 臭曇花 → flysonics: mary1988這樣就錯惹 當然是先敷衍敷衍他 轉頭立馬上報 11/23 13:15
→ flysonics: 收割成果啊 11/23 13:15
→ flysonics: 我看過好幾個這樣作的人後來都穩穩升了呢 嘻嘻嘻 11/23 13:16
噓 jiajie: 會問這個,你應該是想辭職讓位 11/23 13:51
推 physicsdk: 然後底下的好人就走光了,沒受到應有的對待誰要留,再 11/23 13:53
→ physicsdk: 怎麼升怎麼屌都只能龜在一家沒有強者發展停滯的公司, 11/23 13:53
→ physicsdk: 是好到哪去 11/23 13:53
推 flysonics: 薪水高或CP值就沒人走啦 最多就大家閃事情而已囉 11/23 13:55
推 daidairay: 你簽名檔的足球員如果知道你想藏一定很難過 11/23 14:01
噓 jonaswang01: 不能承認自己比新人廢嗎? 11/23 14:02
噓 Irelia56: 人非聖賢,不認錯的才是廢物 11/23 14:21
推 hank850503: 說不定原PI是那個新來的組員啊 11/23 14:21
推 nakayamayyt: 收割啊 去跟老闆講 11/23 14:58
→ Lbj1101: 實力不分年紀年資 11/23 15:05
推 nana7: 老實講 不講就是人家私底下看不起你這樣 XD 11/23 15:18
噓 Kyameron: 當然是拿來當自己的 Performance啊~ 笨!! 11/23 15:31
推 wadeabc: 哈,看出盲點的同事一定會稱讚一下,這是好事 11/23 15:34
噓 No39Utopia: 可撥 11/23 15:36
噓 qwe080969: 就是有這種廢物老鳥 當然是要和他說阿 就這麼拉不下臉 11/23 15:42
→ qwe080969: ? 11/23 15:42
→ chuegou: 你不和他說 他以後就不會跟你說了 11/23 16:01
噓 jamessytba: 就說啊 這麼怕被瞧不起? 11/23 16:33
→ jamessytba: 難得有機會表現給大頭看 還不趕快攬成自己的功勞 11/23 16:34
→ lv01132519: 收割當自己功勞啊,如果你夠小人的話 11/23 17:02
噓 bbcumback2me: 就是有這種人,呵呵 11/23 17:05
噓 ICCompiler: 這也要問??? 承認自己是錯的然後跟他坦白他才是對 11/23 17:09
→ ICCompiler: 的會死?? 11/23 17:09
→ physicsdk: 某樓太小看強者了,等級不一樣不會共事太久,強的人才 11/23 17:17
→ physicsdk: 不會一起當奴隸 呵呵 11/23 17:17
→ IBIZA: 二十年前我還是新人的時候, 我實作了一個新方法, 回報我老 11/23 18:05
→ IBIZA: 闆, 我老闆很讚許, 我也很高興, 過了一兩年我發現他拿我 11/23 18:06
→ IBIZA: 的方法去申請專利, 在公司內部每年拿幾千塊的專利獎金 11/23 18:06
推 bery: 就改口認同 並對上建議她的做法 11/23 18:07
噓 sa87a16: 當自己的建議啊,這樣升官最快 11/23 18:33
推 ywbBetter: 賈伯斯:stay foolish 11/23 21:55
→ kkmoon5566: 賈伯斯:stay fishy 11/23 22:10
推 v7q4: IBIZA大的事我也遇過……還拆開申請兩篇 11/23 22:41
噓 DarkIllusion: 跪著求他當組長啊 還要我教? 11/23 22:58
→ tieh: 稱讚他啊 不然就變成常常令人不恥的老屁股了…… 11/23 23:14
噓 zero11995: 這心態可撥 11/24 00:24
噓 kunling: 混四年就下去好嗎 11/24 01:08
噓 ken1325: 新人三個月打爆四年老人。 11/24 03:11
做人嘴巴不要辣麼臭la ※ 編輯: PANG920 (123.204.158.98 臺灣), 11/24/2019 05:34:54
推 Delyan: 你當主管要有氣度 11/24 09:31
推 pinkyho: 解說你後來試過是可行的 之前講錯了 他會覺得你有重視他 11/24 10:51
→ pinkyho: 說的還會去試 11/24 10:51
噓 fallen01: 跟你在一組很雖 11/24 11:06
推 ETETETET: 不認錯才會讓人更看不起,找機會去稱讚他一下吧 11/24 15:43
推 h888512: 這很正常啊 所以工程師同一位置做越久越難有新東西 11/24 16:50
噓 UDK0821: 這是來釣魚的吧... 11/24 17:48
噓 frank1234206: 看人 把自己格局做大 或是 裝模作樣卡位 11/24 18:28
推 sindy520: 就稱讚她啊!有什麼好不能說的~~ 11/24 18:47
推 u2461127: 本想大聲斥責的,但是實在是太x了 11/24 19:01
→ mzchengqq: 直接承認錯誤,印象深刻才不會再犯 11/24 20:27
推 aabb177: 要不要考慮離職 11/25 08:57
→ shooter555: "當下因為之前都是這樣沒多想" 這個想法要改 11/25 09:46
→ shooter555: 該是自己的錯就承認吧 被別人發現更丟臉 11/25 09:47
推 sweet222: 稱讚她+1 11/25 22:58
推 muimio: 稱讚他呀! 12/05 20:56
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