蔣:台積電成功文化已生變 年輕人沒那種 - 工程師

By Charlie
at 2022-08-14T22:11
at 2022-08-14T22:11
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※ 引述《KotoriCute (乙醯胺酚)》之銘言:
: 蔣尚義:台積電成功文化已生變 年輕人沒那種精神了
: https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/4024020
: 前台積電共同營運長蔣尚義接受美國「電腦歷史博物館」(CHM)口述歷史訪談,談到台積
: 電成功祕訣是「文化」,所舉例子顯示台積人具備隨傳隨到、全力以赴與彈性應變的工作文
: 化,但他也認為,全力以赴到以公司為重,沒有小我是以前的員工才會有的,現在年輕一代
: 已沒有那種精神了。
: 半導體晶圓廠24小時運轉生產,台積電為了衝刺先進製程,加速超越競爭對手,研發部門更
: 在8年前推出「夜鷹計畫」,祭出「底薪加3成、分紅多5成」的優渥條件,以24小時3班輪值
: 不停休方式,加速先進製程開發。
: 蔣尚義被國外半導體大廠同業問到:「你怎麼有辦法讓研發工程師值夜班?」他會有點開玩
: 笑回答,因為在台灣,幾乎所有工程師都有過服兵役要值夜班站哨的經歷。但其實真正的答
: 案,他認為是文化,亞洲人因生活較為艱辛,對物質更渴望、賺錢很重要,人們願意犧牲他
: 們的私人生活換取財務的保障。
: 蔣尚義舉例,台積電晶圓廠若設備故障,即使凌晨兩點,打電話給設備工程師,馬上就會到
: 公司處理,他不會投訴,他的妻子也不會抱怨,這對公司幫助很大;但在美國若設備壞了,
: 要等到隔天上班。這就是台積人也是台灣半導體業從業人員隨傳隨到的工作文化。
: 蔣尚義還分享台積人全力以赴的工作文化,令他震撼。他說,1999年,台積電在美國奧勒岡
: 州投資設WaferTech,因營運績效遠差於台灣的晶圓廠,為了提升績效,台積電擬派台灣跨
: 部門的20人團隊去協助改善,負責的副總經理拿到外派的名單,逐一將名單人選叫進辦公室
: ,指示公司要外派他們到美國WaferTech達2年時間,要他們在3周內要辦妥簽證、護照,這2
: 0人在3週後真的搭同班機飛往美國,他們WaferTech去到美國就是早出晚歸工作,也果真協
: 助把WaferTech問題解決。
: 蔣尚義說,如果是他以前的美國公司惠普(HP)要外派員工,從找人選、來來回回說服與溝
: 通、談條件等,可能要花6個月時間。
: 蔣尚義指出,在台積電,公司的事情比個人的事情重要,20人團隊成員有的是從來沒去過美
: 國,其中有個工廠的經理是他比較熟的,經理假日住台北,為了就近工作,周間在新竹租屋
: ,因赴美任務緊迫,那位經理就將退租後續處理交給秘書,還把存有幾百萬台幣的存摺一併
: 留給秘書。
: 蔣尚義認為,那種捨我其誰的精神,深刻印在他的腦海,他非常震驚,但那是以前台積電員
: 工才有的,年輕一代已沒有那種精神了,現在年輕的台積員工不再那麼努力了。
: 台積電正在美國亞歷桑那州投資興建5奈米廠,預計2024年量產;半導體業界指出,台積電
: 在美國招聘員工以當地薪資水準計算,比台灣高很多,台灣派去的員工以台灣薪資計較低,
: 得知差別待遇懸殊,外派的員工當然無法接受,群起跟公司爭取要比照美國員工的薪資行情
: 才願意前往。
: 由此可見,相較蔣尚義敘述20多年前故事,台積電外派WaferTech的團隊成員為達成公司使
: 命,不計個人代價的拼命精神,確實對現在身處不同大環境的台積年輕員工,已大不同了。
: 曾經是台積人的一家公司董事長認為,他是五年級生,他那個世代,的確是拼勁十足,
他
: 年都是拼最晚下班的乖乖牌,現在年輕一代,成長的大環境不同,自我意識比年長一代強多
: 了,他們不是不努力,只是要努力的地方太多了,不像以前的他們,只有努力工作。
:
:
:
這我看了真的不得不回覆,哈哈
首先以我周遭同事大多為8年級生的想法來說
為什麼現在的年輕人進去台積電,尤其是新人,離職率可以這麼高
台積的工作文化跟工時是大家有目共睹的爛,薪水也不是同行的前幾名
若在台積電要領高薪,以一個基層工程師來說
基本上就是必須付出「高抗壓、高工時、工作內容單調無聊、發展性低」等等犧牲
即使真的高薪好了,當地的「房價」也會高
現在資訊是很透明的時代,一個地方的平均收入會支撐起當地的房價,而哪裡收入高其實
想知道的話一點都不難
房價、房價、房價
很重要所以我說三次
當人口變少、少子化,不一定會促使房價下跌
但房價上漲勢必會造成少子化,辛辛苦苦賺的錢還拿來買很貴的房子
我是年輕人我也不要幹這種CP值爛到沒有下限比屎還不如的鳥事啊
最好拿來當例子的就是近兩年的台南善化、新市,高雄楠梓等等因「台積電」來作題材導
致的房價上漲
18廠是這個版上有目共睹的「地獄」,後續高雄會不會也是地獄我現在就不敢保證了,不
過以「台積數字越大的廠越操」的邏輯來說的話就...
連個工廠都還沒蓋就把房價賣到未來價去了,交通爛的地方賣的比交通好的地方還貴
我想各位版友應該沒有人喜歡在地獄工作30年就為了養家還房貸吧?
那妳會想買一個家買在地獄旁邊嗎?頭殼壞掉?
少子化已經不是新聞而是舊聞了,裝睡的人叫不醒
現在這個資本主義的社會正在反噬那些高資產階級的大老闆、生意人
最近常聽到缺工缺料、年輕人為了高薪跑去柬埔寨最後卻發現是一場詐騙
那為什麼年輕人寧可被騙也不要做台灣的工作呢?因為不爭氣?
資訊發達的年代,年輕人沒那麼傻好嗎,選工作當然選CP值高的
當一個國家資產價值高於勞動價值時,很簡單,為了讓勞動價值提高那我就不給你人口
妳一直撒錢叫他們多生一點小孩,他們願意嗎?撒錢還要被排富,不僅沒享受到托育福利
本身還要繳稅
「人生不是為了工作,但是為了生活而工作才使人生有了意義」
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: 蔣尚義:台積電成功文化已生變 年輕人沒那種精神了
: https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/4024020
: 前台積電共同營運長蔣尚義接受美國「電腦歷史博物館」(CHM)口述歷史訪談,談到台積
: 電成功祕訣是「文化」,所舉例子顯示台積人具備隨傳隨到、全力以赴與彈性應變的工作文
: 化,但他也認為,全力以赴到以公司為重,沒有小我是以前的員工才會有的,現在年輕一代
: 已沒有那種精神了。
: 半導體晶圓廠24小時運轉生產,台積電為了衝刺先進製程,加速超越競爭對手,研發部門更
: 在8年前推出「夜鷹計畫」,祭出「底薪加3成、分紅多5成」的優渥條件,以24小時3班輪值
: 不停休方式,加速先進製程開發。
: 蔣尚義被國外半導體大廠同業問到:「你怎麼有辦法讓研發工程師值夜班?」他會有點開玩
: 笑回答,因為在台灣,幾乎所有工程師都有過服兵役要值夜班站哨的經歷。但其實真正的答
: 案,他認為是文化,亞洲人因生活較為艱辛,對物質更渴望、賺錢很重要,人們願意犧牲他
: 們的私人生活換取財務的保障。
: 蔣尚義舉例,台積電晶圓廠若設備故障,即使凌晨兩點,打電話給設備工程師,馬上就會到
: 公司處理,他不會投訴,他的妻子也不會抱怨,這對公司幫助很大;但在美國若設備壞了,
: 要等到隔天上班。這就是台積人也是台灣半導體業從業人員隨傳隨到的工作文化。
: 蔣尚義還分享台積人全力以赴的工作文化,令他震撼。他說,1999年,台積電在美國奧勒岡
: 州投資設WaferTech,因營運績效遠差於台灣的晶圓廠,為了提升績效,台積電擬派台灣跨
: 部門的20人團隊去協助改善,負責的副總經理拿到外派的名單,逐一將名單人選叫進辦公室
: ,指示公司要外派他們到美國WaferTech達2年時間,要他們在3周內要辦妥簽證、護照,這2
: 0人在3週後真的搭同班機飛往美國,他們WaferTech去到美國就是早出晚歸工作,也果真協
: 助把WaferTech問題解決。
: 蔣尚義說,如果是他以前的美國公司惠普(HP)要外派員工,從找人選、來來回回說服與溝
: 通、談條件等,可能要花6個月時間。
: 蔣尚義指出,在台積電,公司的事情比個人的事情重要,20人團隊成員有的是從來沒去過美
: 國,其中有個工廠的經理是他比較熟的,經理假日住台北,為了就近工作,周間在新竹租屋
: ,因赴美任務緊迫,那位經理就將退租後續處理交給秘書,還把存有幾百萬台幣的存摺一併
: 留給秘書。
: 蔣尚義認為,那種捨我其誰的精神,深刻印在他的腦海,他非常震驚,但那是以前台積電員
: 工才有的,年輕一代已沒有那種精神了,現在年輕的台積員工不再那麼努力了。
: 台積電正在美國亞歷桑那州投資興建5奈米廠,預計2024年量產;半導體業界指出,台積電
: 在美國招聘員工以當地薪資水準計算,比台灣高很多,台灣派去的員工以台灣薪資計較低,
: 得知差別待遇懸殊,外派的員工當然無法接受,群起跟公司爭取要比照美國員工的薪資行情
: 才願意前往。
: 由此可見,相較蔣尚義敘述20多年前故事,台積電外派WaferTech的團隊成員為達成公司使
: 命,不計個人代價的拼命精神,確實對現在身處不同大環境的台積年輕員工,已大不同了。
: 曾經是台積人的一家公司董事長認為,他是五年級生,他那個世代,的確是拼勁十足,
他
: 年都是拼最晚下班的乖乖牌,現在年輕一代,成長的大環境不同,自我意識比年長一代強多
: 了,他們不是不努力,只是要努力的地方太多了,不像以前的他們,只有努力工作。
:
:
:
這我看了真的不得不回覆,哈哈
首先以我周遭同事大多為8年級生的想法來說
為什麼現在的年輕人進去台積電,尤其是新人,離職率可以這麼高
台積的工作文化跟工時是大家有目共睹的爛,薪水也不是同行的前幾名
若在台積電要領高薪,以一個基層工程師來說
基本上就是必須付出「高抗壓、高工時、工作內容單調無聊、發展性低」等等犧牲
即使真的高薪好了,當地的「房價」也會高
現在資訊是很透明的時代,一個地方的平均收入會支撐起當地的房價,而哪裡收入高其實
想知道的話一點都不難
房價、房價、房價
很重要所以我說三次
當人口變少、少子化,不一定會促使房價下跌
但房價上漲勢必會造成少子化,辛辛苦苦賺的錢還拿來買很貴的房子
我是年輕人我也不要幹這種CP值爛到沒有下限比屎還不如的鳥事啊
最好拿來當例子的就是近兩年的台南善化、新市,高雄楠梓等等因「台積電」來作題材導
致的房價上漲
18廠是這個版上有目共睹的「地獄」,後續高雄會不會也是地獄我現在就不敢保證了,不
過以「台積數字越大的廠越操」的邏輯來說的話就...
連個工廠都還沒蓋就把房價賣到未來價去了,交通爛的地方賣的比交通好的地方還貴
我想各位版友應該沒有人喜歡在地獄工作30年就為了養家還房貸吧?
那妳會想買一個家買在地獄旁邊嗎?頭殼壞掉?
少子化已經不是新聞而是舊聞了,裝睡的人叫不醒
現在這個資本主義的社會正在反噬那些高資產階級的大老闆、生意人
最近常聽到缺工缺料、年輕人為了高薪跑去柬埔寨最後卻發現是一場詐騙
那為什麼年輕人寧可被騙也不要做台灣的工作呢?因為不爭氣?
資訊發達的年代,年輕人沒那麼傻好嗎,選工作當然選CP值高的
當一個國家資產價值高於勞動價值時,很簡單,為了讓勞動價值提高那我就不給你人口
妳一直撒錢叫他們多生一點小孩,他們願意嗎?撒錢還要被排富,不僅沒享受到托育福利
本身還要繳稅
「人生不是為了工作,但是為了生活而工作才使人生有了意義」
-----
Sent from MeowPtt on my iPhone
--
All Comments

By Michael
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響他們 乖乖幫歐美代工 科技貴科技 政治歸政治

By Ula
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By Sierra Rose
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相信只要恢復配股配息,年輕人又都回來了

By Elvira
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By Irma
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期望呢? 可以指示一下嗎?

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定不在亞洲

By Caitlin
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幾名你是在說笑? 同行是把豬屎屋拿去比嗎 笑死人
可以去豬屎屋的根本不會去當產線三寶 人才條件根
本不一樣

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怕房貸被 罷工黨惡搞繳不出來

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因為台積電?

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多導致科技沒競爭力

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有……

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兩房一廳格局啊?

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全面引進外勞啊,看權貴多會引進看有誰要來台灣啊

By Edward Lewis
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死就好

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孩,不然也是很辛苦好嗎樓上?

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蹟

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By Eartha
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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東西又貴又少 唉不說了

By Olivia
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By Emma
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By Jake
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By Emma
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By Hazel
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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年也不太敢走但每天都很痛苦週末又要值班

By Linda
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By Kumar
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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在什麼東西都漲 年輕人要滿足條件的門檻更高了 為
什麼選擇不那麼努力就要被貼標籤?

By Anonymous
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Christine
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By Edwina
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By Thomas
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By Ula
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By Rebecca
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By Ida
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By Ethan
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By Oscar
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By Zora
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By Blanche
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By David
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的責任?

By Eden
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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收得到這種髓叫隨到的人

By Lucy
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By Eden
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By Valerie
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By Quintina
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By Queena
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By Carolina Franco
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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中古。眼高手低,大可不必

By Cara
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
, 真的有那麼好,你過去就會是那個社會的上層?
還是一樣基層然後繼續哭跟抱怨?

By Candice
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Jacky
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By Leila
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By Edward Lewis
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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到暴動

By Ingrid
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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人聊過嗎?還是你只是自以為?

By Madame
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By Tom
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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不自知

By Liam
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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台灣以後就是高物價,低薪水,治安變差

By Quanna
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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最好年輕人都消失讓老人們能過更舒服的生活
從20歲喊到40了..繼續無業在家啃老

By Hedda
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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己的國家嗎?邏輯?不然叫我不用繳稅,我就乖乖閉
嘴

By Joseph
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By Lydia
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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俗,幻想自己在國外可以翻身人上人,要騙人到柬埔
寨不就是這種文章,為了夢想衝刺吧! 噗

By Brianna
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Elma
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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好反思人家為什麼要去那裡工作,不是只會在那邊檢
討人家笨傻呆被騙

By Jacob
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By Jacob
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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歡迎提告哦啾咪

By Caroline
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By Necoo
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, 你說去澳洲打工有10萬正當工作我信, 柬埔寨打
工月薪10萬會是正當工作? 是騙自己嗎?

By Jessica
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Elma
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By Olga
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吧

By Olga
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By Rebecca
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By Daph Bay
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By Erin
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By Odelette
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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高薪的一群,還過得很辛苦的話,不就表示高房價是
有問題的嗎?

By Megan
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By Kyle
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By Emily
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
把大部分的錢拿去繳房貸就不爽 不想買單純是奇摩子
的問題 那些炒房真的該下地獄

By Steve
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By Queena
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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降了

By Eartha
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By Rosalind
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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生剩餘價值根本是自討苦吃啊 哈哈

By Hedda
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By Kelly
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By Rebecca
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By Brianna
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By Xanthe
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
跳,而且一路漲,根本不是年輕人不努力不買房,賺得速
度連租房都很辛苦,看看這裡吃的跟市區比起來爛到笑
,難吃選擇又少

By Suhail Hany
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Sandy
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By Cara
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By Odelette
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By Aaliyah
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By Enid
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By Connor
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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讓GG高層賺大錢

By Iris
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
講出來的話也沒多營養還想教訓人呵呵

By Victoria
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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會當個人活著

By Bennie
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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發達 很多思想根本跟不上時代 死腦筋一堆

By Ina
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By James
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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某樓懂?

By Dora
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By Faithe
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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生之年應該能看到 哈

By Joseph
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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根本差先進國家不知道多少zzz

By Leila
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By Catherine
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By David
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輕鬆阿...

By Ida
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By Megan
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
在用荒謬價格剝削年輕人的中年台奴造成的嗎

By Elizabeth
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
也不多 21世紀一起下去 大家都有伴 有閒錢可以轉些
美金 估計晚年 台灣物價匯率會很不妙

By Hardy
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By Agnes
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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? 沒有輪班星人 匯率扛的住? 台灣極度依賴國外天
然資源

By Connor
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By Rachel
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
本吧 比日本更慘烈 少子化更快 房價物價更高 市場更
小 難以想像的未來

By Elizabeth
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By Delia
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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房價、房價、房價

By Agatha
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By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Barb Cronin
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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為什麼年輕人不買郊區

By Linda
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
如何安寧治療 不要想改變了 準備好自己的晚年比較實
際

By Yuri
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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跟去拼科技業一樣的道理啊
支持

By Kelly
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By Eartha
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By Bethany
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By Vanessa
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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管理和平衡房價物價?科技業中年人還不是莫名奇妙就
發現自己房子漲價了

By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Irma
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By Hedda
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By Olivia
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By Thomas
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
培養下一代都是開銷,房價太高會排擠到其他支出和
做那些事的意願

By Candice
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By Damian
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By Anthony
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辛辛苦苦賺的錢還拿來買很貴的房子

By Enid
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By Hazel
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By Una
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eatn : 工作就是為了買房子啊

By Frederic
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By Damian
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By Anonymous
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By Enid
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都魯蛇一樣XD

By Lucy
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By Ophelia
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By Charlotte
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By Kelly
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By Oliver
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當政客建商奴隸喔

By Mason
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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某樓是不是買過房?養過家?無言

By Jacob
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By Jake
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By Rachel
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By Sierra Rose
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By Rebecca
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By Vanessa
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By Elizabeth
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By Charlotte
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By Belly
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By Adele
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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但是不適合買房的地方,台積當初就該建在高雄就好,
這麼醜的地方是買不下去

By Dora
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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By Bethany
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
如果有關係 那內科的離職率早就破表了

By Jack
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By Blanche
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By Delia
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By Una
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By Charlie
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By Edwina
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By Catherine
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By Kelly
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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能苟同,為公司犧牲還被這樣羞辱

By Elvira
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By Vanessa
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
,有人說實話,既得利益者就在護航,兩邊慢慢吵,我
只要好好感謝爸媽就好了,智障才會在這時間點買善化
那垃圾地方

By Donna
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By Megan
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By Kristin
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By Callum
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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既然不會在台南高雄工作離職率高不就正好解釋了嗎?

By Franklin
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
還是妳買房子不是買給自己住的? 那另當別論

By Xanthe
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
麼

By Belly
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
還是買一個只有台積電什麼洨都沒有的?

By Andrew
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
不如就都躺平讓這國家趕快完蛋

By William
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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By Regina
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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附近

By Ula
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By Dorothy
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By Cara
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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扯房價什麼都偏離主題 重點還是台積的工時和文化

By Daph Bay
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Joseph
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
都流行炒房 當網紅 做yt 一堆沒產值的事情

By Dinah
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Rebecca
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
補的滿早就補滿了 怎麼現在到處缺人

By Dinah
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
在台灣工業區買千萬樓房 北七到有剩 當自己最聰明
東南亞人都比較笨

By Ida
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
老家買一堆房了還不用貸款咧
*一棟房

By Wallis
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
力一定是極大資本灌入導致,最近這波就是之前那波Q
E熱錢,然後上去後下不來是人性問題,科技中年了不
起是被浪潮推著走而已,不否認有些也隨浪投機了一
波,但也不是人人如此,嚴格來說一樣是被動接受隨
波逐流,並沒有造浪的能力

By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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By Regina
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
市場的,怎麼會沒差

By Annie
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
不開心怪學長,房子太貴也怪學長,殊不知公司文化
也不是學長有能力改變,房價同理

By Mason
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Selena
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
人一樣被貴啊,怎麼不是怪便當店老闆抬價或是他的
房東一直漲房租

By Robert
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
根本平行世界

By Liam
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
灣買房了

By Robert
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Iris
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By Wallis
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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房地產

By Doris
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By Isla
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
前當時氛圍都是竹北鬼城房子蓋給鬼住啥都沒有

By Audriana
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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By Barb Cronin
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Margaret
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By Ophelia
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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心情==

By Genevieve
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
了..

By Agnes
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
,買不起工作地附近的房子

By Irma
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
自虐嗎?

By Tristan Cohan
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
只是一將功成萬骨枯的不永續血汗企業而已。真是要不
得,人生不是只有錢呀

By Emily
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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種工作文化,來台積不就是因為它薪水給的高,而員工
又對它的工作文化不認同,如果公司文化改變導致它
比較不賺錢了,還有人會想去嗎?

By Zora
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
批它血汗賣肝,自己想要什麼人生去追求即可

By Oscar
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By Zanna
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By Anonymous
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By Hedwig
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By Daniel
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By Charlie
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By Oliver
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By Irma
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By Oscar
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By Vanessa
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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這種文能推到93,才真的可悲

By Michael
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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身實力又不怎樣,想領高薪,又不肯吃苦,只會幹幹叫

By Sandy
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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認真打拼吃苦拼房子,腦子有問題吧

By Edith
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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爽到現在,你他媽好意思講實力

By Odelette
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By Carol
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By Elma
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By Agnes
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By Noah
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By Megan
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By Olivia
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By Adele
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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其他行業都被房價搞到無法生存

By Queena
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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台灣人領200
美國人領500

By Iris
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By Daniel
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By Isabella
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也看了高潮 代表很多人邏輯辯思能力低落到不可思議

By Bethany
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By Edwina
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美國一樣還下不來?

By Donna
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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台積電工作這樣多 你只能挑到廠務的工作

By Caitlin
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By Gilbert
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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出過逛一圈 又發現 你做得職缺台積電是給最好的了

By Christine
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By Quanna
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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買房?

By Lydia
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By Mia
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By Rebecca
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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背景有非常非常大的差異,上一輩拼的是不能餓死且一
家企業就要幹一輩子,以前也是周休一日。七八年紀機
會多且生活方式多元,你給五百萬要他們工作七天12小
時他們才不幹,現在人追求是wlb。再更上一輩,我阿

By Isla
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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答那是非常好的工作了要珍惜,在他們年代有休假就是
頂級公司。一開始我換工作就會被念說一家公司至少要
待10-20年,但在我們眼裡根本狗扯蛋,我跳了幾次月
薪破20萬後,上一輩立刻改觀說真的要跳,不跳窮一輩
子。現在我們社會給我們的工作機會也多很多,goog、
mtk在台灣找那麼多人,我們做不爽就跳,走向美國灣
區的型式。

By Robert
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By Valerie
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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就乖乖躺平

By Lily
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By Franklin
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By Susan
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By Todd Johnson
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By Ingrid
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By Barb Cronin
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By Margaret
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By Adele
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By Ophelia
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多痛苦了。台灣扯的是平均薪資能不能買房還不知道勒

By Lily
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By Megan
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By Sierra Rose
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By Edward Lewis
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By Hedda
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
了?人性問題指的是沒人會刻意讓自己吃虧

By Ina
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By Rae
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By Blanche
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By Ula
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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群?我有一個表弟就曾經去菲律賓做線上博奕的客服想
輕鬆賺大錢,雖然沒被當成豬仔賣掉但也是花了一筆錢
才安全脫身回來,我那個表弟就是無學歷無技能又無努
力的三無青年,整天只想走偏門沒做過什麼正經工作

By Andy
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By Elma
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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繼續付房租而已

By Frederica
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
人就是賺不到你們那波,還只能繼續被剝削,錢也賺走
了還在臭嘴

By Anthony
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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By Noah
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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代都有吧........

By Rosalind
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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樣子

By Michael
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Dorothy
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By Ida
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By Queena
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努力呢

By Franklin
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By Kumar
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By Ida
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By Ida
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現在不僅買不起,每年調薪的幅度還趕不上房價,被
狗幹一整年然後都被炒房仔賺走,那我還是躺平好了
,既然要躺平,我為什麼要留在一個整天被狗幹的地
方??那些老人要是生在這個世代,不知道他們還能
不能說出這種話

By Cara
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By Necoo
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By Emily
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By Quanna
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By Sarah
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By Christine
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By Suhail Hany
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By Genevieve
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By Hedwig
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By Regina
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在台中

By Carol
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By Donna
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By Sandy
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還鄉下

By Edward Lewis
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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不要去台積電工作就好。一堆人"年輕人"搶著去也是事
實。

By Elma
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
,周圍住宅生活,台積電附近城鎮,都是台灣前段班。

By John
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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有更好的選擇啊。

By Olga
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By Dinah
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By Jessica
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By Margaret
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By Belly
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By Puput
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By Dinah
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By Franklin
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By Anthony
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
你要便宜房子也不是沒有 遠一點而已
每個地方都一樣 不是只有台積電才有這種炒房現象
你把炒房當成不去台積的原因太看得起年輕人了
現在年輕人有幾個想買房

By Edith
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
百。然後台南東區30年屋齡30坪“中古”屋目前聽到
成交多在800萬,買個雕。

By Cara
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By Damian
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By William
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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看到扯 柬埔寨 就END了

By Faithe
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
刻苦耐勞的專業中年人也有被騙
大家都想要在有限時間下多賺一點
可是並不是每個人都能進去台積電的
土木水電工也想去台積電工作啊 但他們連門檻都進不
了
但有門檻資格的卻不是最刻苦耐勞的

By George
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
,誰要去

By Jake
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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可以去買官田佳里中古屋 再買不起柳營後壁中古屋

By Victoria
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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買東區中西區東橋是不是便宜到靠北 呵呵

By Hedwig
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
前南部房子蛋白區也是便宜到台積做三年能付清一大半
貸款 跟現在三年只夠付頭期 差那麼多 還能睜眼說瞎
話欸

By Hazel
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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棟 有夠低能

By Charlie
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By Caitlin
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By Necoo
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By Oliver
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?

By John
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By Dorothy
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By Sarah
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By Vanessa
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By David
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By Eden
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By Hedwig
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By Poppy
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來哭房價貴

By Yuri
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By Delia
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By Leila
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By Odelette
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By Zenobia
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By Elvira
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By Puput
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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就是無痛收割你辛苦的果實

By Zora
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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只有更低能

By John
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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遲早崩盤 等著看

By Jake
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By George
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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地獄給的錢多

By Kumar
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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果實被老闆收割

By Frederic
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
價都不合理 買了也是被財團建商收割

By Valerie
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By Erin
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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是因為他們也是既得利益者 非常保護資方

By Eartha
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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下坡

By Joe
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By Mason
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By Mason
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By Isabella
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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和一堆民進黨高官每個都在炒房。台灣真的沒救了

By Sandy
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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已經傳遍整個東南亞

By Charlie
at 2022-08-20T17:41
at 2022-08-20T17:41
新手的時候新大樓的價格是多少,你可能花五年,我
現在要花十年,我貸款當然買得起,但憑什麼我要多
奮鬥五年,才能買一樣的東西,懂?

By David
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By Caroline
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By Linda
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ㄌ

By Sarah
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By Edith
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By Xanthe
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By Quanna
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By Enid
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跟去AZ一樣

By Susan
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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想買新房,都忘了自己當年買的時候也是新房

By Jake
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By Hardy
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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科用地擴大,否則工作機會飽和,我是想不到那附近
能發展到哪去

By Enid
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By Blanche
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By Victoria
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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money? 躺著腿開開都沒能這樣撈,是要物理賣肝還是
賣腎嗎?

By Hedy
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By Eartha
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By Blanche
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By Olive
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By George
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By Irma
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By Genevieve
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By Tristan Cohan
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By Irma
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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了 拿他們來比不是剛好而已嗎

By Victoria
at 2022-08-20T17:41
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惠買房 外面蓋的阿薩布魯就崩崩惹

By Charlie
at 2022-08-19T12:01
at 2022-08-19T12:01
漲起來放?竹科的價格模型就在那了,自然會有人當商
品買來投資。除非政府利用政策讓房屋持有不再是好的
投資標的,不然這個情況在不管在哪都一樣好嗎,別說
得像是台積電的問題...

By Frederic
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By Oliver
at 2022-08-19T12:01
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一樣,年輕人吃不起苦,banana只能請猴子啦

By Rebecca
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By Ida
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By Queena
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By Tracy
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