GG助工與副模組工程師差異談 - 工程師
By Ursula
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分享一下我在GG從助理工程師 (AE) 被強迫升級為副模組工程師(MAE)的生活差異經驗談
,
把我想到的分享給各位想進GG MAE的人當作參考:
1.設備門檻
至少要是理工背景出生,在裡面任何學校背景都有看過,從國立大學一直到私大學士都
有例子,所以門檻很低,甚至現在還有未當兵也能進來先工作的,極度欠缺MAE
2.AE工時 (平均8-10HR)
日班 (8:30-17:30):基本上就是保養機台,Parts送洗、回廠Parts回收,盡力在準時下
班,如果超過時間
,老闆未必會想給你加班費...
MAE工時(平均10-12HR)
日班 (8:30-17:30):除了上述的工作以外,你還需要協助裝機,值班,trouble shooti
ng,配合早上交接
下班交接,跟你無關但你需要陪伴大家交接兩個多小時,(反正就是把你當工程師了),
而且沒加班費
大夜班 (一到五 00:00-9:00) (六日 20:30-8:30) : 工作內容最主要為值班,平均下
班
時間落在10:00-11:00,不過早上得面對老闆交接機況,壓力相對會比較大,而且是強
迫上線的關西,
其實你對於值班還在一頭霧水就已經在工作了
3.MAE輪班頻率 (理想狀況1個月輪一次)
一個月內約會有10-12天為日班,5-6天為大夜班,意思就是一個月內必需經
歷 2 種作息,通常大約20-30天就會遇到一輪大夜,這還必需視人力的調度,最差狀況
有看過2週就輪一次 (通常會發生在頻繁走人的課別上)
4.AE工作內容
(1) PM (機台例行性保養)
(5) Offline job(換測漏鋼瓶,補充無塵布,Parts入廠)
MAE工作內容 (原則上做的事情不會讓你學到專業技能,只限繼續作設備才有用)
(1) PM (機台例行性保養)
(2) 線上值班 (機況維護、即時性 Alarm 處理)
(3) Trouble shooting (修機)
(4) 新機台裝機
(5) Offline job (料/帳務、Alarm、FDC、6S、PMS.....Sponsor)
(如果你有看過 PTT"[心得] GG設備相關經驗談",你會發現工作與設備幾乎一樣)
5.MAE線上值班
通常新人三個月開始拿手機線上值班的時候,就是開始浮現離職念頭的開始,值班手機
會接收各種機台不同的 Alarm 訊息,包括:FDC alarm / Tool alarm ...,然後還會有
製程(PE)、製造部(MFG)、Leader、Boss,來電來詢問各種機況,機台什麼時候可以交
回
等等各種問題,另外,還有機況交接需要編輯,幾乎沒時間讓你好好喘息,線上值班當
有現場機台 Alarm 需要確認,就必需進入 FAB;原則上現在機台遠端都能操作,運氣
好
的情況下,是可以坐在外面值班的,基本上以新廠的值班loading,你有可能會走不進
FAB 裡面,如果在日班可以打給裡面的人尋求支援,新人建議進去裡面學習,當然通常
這也很看裡面的學長要不要幫你,通常不會幫或者會被靠北的,團隊氣氛不會太好,
當然以新人的角度也要看你的求知慾到哪,會影響你後面獨立值班上線的速度,值班基
本上偏硬,有可能運氣不好你必需走進FAB裡,手機 Alarm 要一直送,還需要接老闆的
電話,不過這些基本上都是熟練度,值班多次了速度都會變快,反應也會變好,什麼東
西重要,什麼可以不管,有些人反而會喜歡值班,有些人寧願不要值班被手機煩
6.AE待遇 (錢跟外面其實差不多)
第一年:約 60-70 W
第二年:約 75-80 W
第三年:約 85-90 W
第三年後考績不要太差 基本上也破不了百萬
以上數字會根據你的輪班/加班/分紅有所上升
MAE待遇跟AE一模一樣,所以大家才不滿(同AE,就不在打一次了)
7.AE無須交接
MAE交接
最主要就是把機況報告給老闆聽,早上 (8:30-10:00) / 晚上 (17:30-18:30)
(18:30-20:00) (20:00-22:00),晚上交接有看過這三種時間,所以一天交接時間平均
約
花2-3小時
機況交接結束後,會有一些KPI需要review 或是各種宣導,接著leader會派工指定每個
人當日的工作內容
Q1:為什那麼晚交接 ? 通常會因為在等老闆或leader到才能開始,不過每個課的模式不一
樣,聯絡的上老闆,通常會知會先開始或是等他一下
Q2:為什交接那麼久 ? 通常會是老闆或leader有重要問題開始review停下來討論的時間
& 機台數量多(尤其在新廠),交接出來的機況通常都有一定的數量
8.吃飯 (三餐不正常)
關於吃午餐這件事,AE或MAE不太可能12:00在跟人家排隊要刷餐,平均開始吃飯時間約
落在
13:30-14:00,有看過完全忙整天沒時間吃的,沒有人會叫你不吃,不過常常值班需要
接
電話,或是老闆打來催進度,都會讓你真的沒辦法好好吃飯,
結論是,不太會有時間讓你坐下來好好吃個飯睡個午覺,做事情之前吃飽一點!
9.午休 (不太有時間讓你好好休息)
基本上不太有這個時間能給你,跟你吃飯一樣,都是一種奢求,吃一口飯都會被酸我都
還沒吃呢
也有看過很多leader 中午都會睡覺,有的老闆大概13:30會把所有人叫起床,所以可以
觀察到幾乎沒有人會在位子上休息,如果忙到15:00才出FAB要午休也都是正常
PS:不管在哪家設備,都不能坐在位子上太久,除非你是leader或是有重要任務要做,
不
然一定會被靠北過太爽!
10.AE派工
日班事情就是PM機台,把機台保養好就能準時下班。
MAE派工
大夜班比較單純一點,就是值班,顧好線上機況和值班手機,不過也有看過大夜班
邊值班還有做offline job的
日班事情就比較雜,除了值班人員以外,會有線上的
Trouble shooting / 裝機 / Offline Job,平均收工下班時間幾乎落在21:00
11.未來工作發展性 (發展性偏低)
(1)別想了,就是個保養機台的,沒有什麼其他發展性。
12.關於JOS (很難)
a.主動轉:通常成功機率極低,有看過轉換成功地也算少數,尤其是要轉換性值
(Ex:PE=>YED),通常女生轉換成功的機率偏高;有看過同事JOS失敗的例子,自己看好
部
門與對方老闆談OK,結果被自己老闆打槍,後來被迫指定要去的部門
b.被動轉:這邊只的就是轉去新廠,當你被老闆選上時,幾乎等於被迫要轉換去新廠,只
要你沒拒絕,成功機率百分百,因為沒有人會想要去新廠,通常會有一些相關補助 (約
2
年而已),一年多個20-30萬
13.新廠能去嗎?
以個人看到的經驗,新廠的離職率頗高,每年暑假都走一堆人,
給各位良心建議:奈米數越小、廠別數字越大的廠,建議不要去,不過有傳言老廠也沒
好到哪去,只能說對大部分人而言,GG只有操和非常操2種選項
14.離職的時機點
2月或8月為離職高峰潮,在此建議不想做超過3年以上就趕快走了,因為在裡面學到的
技能出來完全不能用,你能學到的設備技能只能去設備相關才派得上用場,
待越久說實在不是一件好事情,會非常難轉換跑道,被這份工作定型,出去也不知道
去哪
裡比較好
15.新人離職率
目前18A廠去年新人滿一年內的離職率約為50-60%以上,或許大家會很難理解為什麼離
職率那麼高,但當
你的工作壓力與薪資還有健康不成正比,自然就會離職了
16.離職原因
通常去跟老闆講這一步都會考慮老半天,重點是要擺明要走的決心,不管別人說什麼
都不能動搖,講實話講真話都好,管它那麼多,講都會說現在非常缺人,拜託你留下
來,有可能有專職負責的 Sponsor,沒有你不行,別傻了,沒有你就做不了的事情,
更值得大家檢討,為什麼沒有你就不行?這麼大一家公司如果還常常再喊缺人,這是他
們要解決的問題,為什麼會常走人甚至招不到人來,值得大家來討論反省,所以,如
果要離職務必下定決心,好聚好散,只有你的前途才是真的!
17.MAE輪班到什麼時候可以不用?
你離職後
18.FAB工作特性
需要久站、不能整天坐在辦公室、一天穿無塵衣6-8小時不等
優點:裝認真
缺點:水喝的少、容易憋尿,長期身體容易有慢性病、容易禿頭、腸胃炎很痛苦
19.四大 MODULE 操度
普遍認為操度:蝕刻>黃光>擴散>薄膜
不過在 GG 裡我不認為有爽的,還會跟你的老闆是誰有很大的關係,所以以上比較也
不是絕對!
20.什麼樣的人適合做 GG MAE
(1) M屬性,喜歡被罵
(2) 對保養機台有興趣
(3) 白天睡得著 (需輪夜班)
(4) 願意捨棄和家庭相處的時間,犧牲自己的生活品質
21.做完 GG MAE離職後的個人心得
(1) GG 只有操和非常操兩個選項,沒有爽的,通常氣氛好的課別加上老闆人也不錯,新
人才有機會待得住
(2) 待遇部分普通,休假多,但不屬於你,有時請假還會被刁難,福利真要說好的話可能
就是我也想不到
,通常會要你 100% 的時間和精力貢獻給公司
(3) 在產線的工作內容真的完全學不到專業技能,出來找工作不走產線相關非常難找工作
,能學到的大概就是怎麼做人,良心建議,真的不幸進去了,不想做就趕快出來
以上為個人的 GG經驗談,有任何問題歡迎留言or站內信,謝謝收看!
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經歷分享
分享一下我在GG從助理工程師 (AE) 被強迫升級為副模組工程師(MAE)的生活差異經驗談
,
把我想到的分享給各位想進GG MAE的人當作參考:
1.設備門檻
至少要是理工背景出生,在裡面任何學校背景都有看過,從國立大學一直到私大學士都
有例子,所以門檻很低,甚至現在還有未當兵也能進來先工作的,極度欠缺MAE
2.AE工時 (平均8-10HR)
日班 (8:30-17:30):基本上就是保養機台,Parts送洗、回廠Parts回收,盡力在準時下
班,如果超過時間
,老闆未必會想給你加班費...
MAE工時(平均10-12HR)
日班 (8:30-17:30):除了上述的工作以外,你還需要協助裝機,值班,trouble shooti
ng,配合早上交接
下班交接,跟你無關但你需要陪伴大家交接兩個多小時,(反正就是把你當工程師了),
而且沒加班費
大夜班 (一到五 00:00-9:00) (六日 20:30-8:30) : 工作內容最主要為值班,平均下
班
時間落在10:00-11:00,不過早上得面對老闆交接機況,壓力相對會比較大,而且是強
迫上線的關西,
其實你對於值班還在一頭霧水就已經在工作了
3.MAE輪班頻率 (理想狀況1個月輪一次)
一個月內約會有10-12天為日班,5-6天為大夜班,意思就是一個月內必需經
歷 2 種作息,通常大約20-30天就會遇到一輪大夜,這還必需視人力的調度,最差狀況
有看過2週就輪一次 (通常會發生在頻繁走人的課別上)
4.AE工作內容
(1) PM (機台例行性保養)
(5) Offline job(換測漏鋼瓶,補充無塵布,Parts入廠)
MAE工作內容 (原則上做的事情不會讓你學到專業技能,只限繼續作設備才有用)
(1) PM (機台例行性保養)
(2) 線上值班 (機況維護、即時性 Alarm 處理)
(3) Trouble shooting (修機)
(4) 新機台裝機
(5) Offline job (料/帳務、Alarm、FDC、6S、PMS.....Sponsor)
(如果你有看過 PTT"[心得] GG設備相關經驗談",你會發現工作與設備幾乎一樣)
5.MAE線上值班
通常新人三個月開始拿手機線上值班的時候,就是開始浮現離職念頭的開始,值班手機
會接收各種機台不同的 Alarm 訊息,包括:FDC alarm / Tool alarm ...,然後還會有
製程(PE)、製造部(MFG)、Leader、Boss,來電來詢問各種機況,機台什麼時候可以交
回
等等各種問題,另外,還有機況交接需要編輯,幾乎沒時間讓你好好喘息,線上值班當
有現場機台 Alarm 需要確認,就必需進入 FAB;原則上現在機台遠端都能操作,運氣
好
的情況下,是可以坐在外面值班的,基本上以新廠的值班loading,你有可能會走不進
FAB 裡面,如果在日班可以打給裡面的人尋求支援,新人建議進去裡面學習,當然通常
這也很看裡面的學長要不要幫你,通常不會幫或者會被靠北的,團隊氣氛不會太好,
當然以新人的角度也要看你的求知慾到哪,會影響你後面獨立值班上線的速度,值班基
本上偏硬,有可能運氣不好你必需走進FAB裡,手機 Alarm 要一直送,還需要接老闆的
電話,不過這些基本上都是熟練度,值班多次了速度都會變快,反應也會變好,什麼東
西重要,什麼可以不管,有些人反而會喜歡值班,有些人寧願不要值班被手機煩
6.AE待遇 (錢跟外面其實差不多)
第一年:約 60-70 W
第二年:約 75-80 W
第三年:約 85-90 W
第三年後考績不要太差 基本上也破不了百萬
以上數字會根據你的輪班/加班/分紅有所上升
MAE待遇跟AE一模一樣,所以大家才不滿(同AE,就不在打一次了)
7.AE無須交接
MAE交接
最主要就是把機況報告給老闆聽,早上 (8:30-10:00) / 晚上 (17:30-18:30)
(18:30-20:00) (20:00-22:00),晚上交接有看過這三種時間,所以一天交接時間平均
約
花2-3小時
機況交接結束後,會有一些KPI需要review 或是各種宣導,接著leader會派工指定每個
人當日的工作內容
Q1:為什那麼晚交接 ? 通常會因為在等老闆或leader到才能開始,不過每個課的模式不一
樣,聯絡的上老闆,通常會知會先開始或是等他一下
Q2:為什交接那麼久 ? 通常會是老闆或leader有重要問題開始review停下來討論的時間
& 機台數量多(尤其在新廠),交接出來的機況通常都有一定的數量
8.吃飯 (三餐不正常)
關於吃午餐這件事,AE或MAE不太可能12:00在跟人家排隊要刷餐,平均開始吃飯時間約
落在
13:30-14:00,有看過完全忙整天沒時間吃的,沒有人會叫你不吃,不過常常值班需要
接
電話,或是老闆打來催進度,都會讓你真的沒辦法好好吃飯,
結論是,不太會有時間讓你坐下來好好吃個飯睡個午覺,做事情之前吃飽一點!
9.午休 (不太有時間讓你好好休息)
基本上不太有這個時間能給你,跟你吃飯一樣,都是一種奢求,吃一口飯都會被酸我都
還沒吃呢
也有看過很多leader 中午都會睡覺,有的老闆大概13:30會把所有人叫起床,所以可以
觀察到幾乎沒有人會在位子上休息,如果忙到15:00才出FAB要午休也都是正常
PS:不管在哪家設備,都不能坐在位子上太久,除非你是leader或是有重要任務要做,
不
然一定會被靠北過太爽!
10.AE派工
日班事情就是PM機台,把機台保養好就能準時下班。
MAE派工
大夜班比較單純一點,就是值班,顧好線上機況和值班手機,不過也有看過大夜班
邊值班還有做offline job的
日班事情就比較雜,除了值班人員以外,會有線上的
Trouble shooting / 裝機 / Offline Job,平均收工下班時間幾乎落在21:00
11.未來工作發展性 (發展性偏低)
(1)別想了,就是個保養機台的,沒有什麼其他發展性。
12.關於JOS (很難)
a.主動轉:通常成功機率極低,有看過轉換成功地也算少數,尤其是要轉換性值
(Ex:PE=>YED),通常女生轉換成功的機率偏高;有看過同事JOS失敗的例子,自己看好
部
門與對方老闆談OK,結果被自己老闆打槍,後來被迫指定要去的部門
b.被動轉:這邊只的就是轉去新廠,當你被老闆選上時,幾乎等於被迫要轉換去新廠,只
要你沒拒絕,成功機率百分百,因為沒有人會想要去新廠,通常會有一些相關補助 (約
2
年而已),一年多個20-30萬
13.新廠能去嗎?
以個人看到的經驗,新廠的離職率頗高,每年暑假都走一堆人,
給各位良心建議:奈米數越小、廠別數字越大的廠,建議不要去,不過有傳言老廠也沒
好到哪去,只能說對大部分人而言,GG只有操和非常操2種選項
14.離職的時機點
2月或8月為離職高峰潮,在此建議不想做超過3年以上就趕快走了,因為在裡面學到的
技能出來完全不能用,你能學到的設備技能只能去設備相關才派得上用場,
待越久說實在不是一件好事情,會非常難轉換跑道,被這份工作定型,出去也不知道
去哪
裡比較好
15.新人離職率
目前18A廠去年新人滿一年內的離職率約為50-60%以上,或許大家會很難理解為什麼離
職率那麼高,但當
你的工作壓力與薪資還有健康不成正比,自然就會離職了
16.離職原因
通常去跟老闆講這一步都會考慮老半天,重點是要擺明要走的決心,不管別人說什麼
都不能動搖,講實話講真話都好,管它那麼多,講都會說現在非常缺人,拜託你留下
來,有可能有專職負責的 Sponsor,沒有你不行,別傻了,沒有你就做不了的事情,
更值得大家檢討,為什麼沒有你就不行?這麼大一家公司如果還常常再喊缺人,這是他
們要解決的問題,為什麼會常走人甚至招不到人來,值得大家來討論反省,所以,如
果要離職務必下定決心,好聚好散,只有你的前途才是真的!
17.MAE輪班到什麼時候可以不用?
你離職後
18.FAB工作特性
需要久站、不能整天坐在辦公室、一天穿無塵衣6-8小時不等
優點:裝認真
缺點:水喝的少、容易憋尿,長期身體容易有慢性病、容易禿頭、腸胃炎很痛苦
19.四大 MODULE 操度
普遍認為操度:蝕刻>黃光>擴散>薄膜
不過在 GG 裡我不認為有爽的,還會跟你的老闆是誰有很大的關係,所以以上比較也
不是絕對!
20.什麼樣的人適合做 GG MAE
(1) M屬性,喜歡被罵
(2) 對保養機台有興趣
(3) 白天睡得著 (需輪夜班)
(4) 願意捨棄和家庭相處的時間,犧牲自己的生活品質
21.做完 GG MAE離職後的個人心得
(1) GG 只有操和非常操兩個選項,沒有爽的,通常氣氛好的課別加上老闆人也不錯,新
人才有機會待得住
(2) 待遇部分普通,休假多,但不屬於你,有時請假還會被刁難,福利真要說好的話可能
就是我也想不到
,通常會要你 100% 的時間和精力貢獻給公司
(3) 在產線的工作內容真的完全學不到專業技能,出來找工作不走產線相關非常難找工作
,能學到的大概就是怎麼做人,良心建議,真的不幸進去了,不想做就趕快出來
以上為個人的 GG經驗談,有任何問題歡迎留言or站內信,謝謝收看!
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