人才流失越來越嚴重了 - 薪水

By Doris
at 2018-11-05T02:53
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人才外流這個議題牽扯很廣, 也是我們這一代常常會思考的事情
我曾經在大陸待過四年(薪水是台灣的4~5倍, 現在在外商工作)
想分享一下自己的看法(只討論大陸的情況)
先說這是一個全球在搶人才的時代(科技業是比較激烈的戰區),
其實全世界都有這個問題, 看看矽谷的科技公司有多少外來移民就知道
(光我看到的就有 歐洲/台灣/中國(&香港)/韓國/日本/伊朗/印度/埃及...)
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1. 以個人而言, 如果國外有更好的機會, 要不要出去?
這答案因人而異, 畢竟離開自己的國家生活算是一個大改變,
如果沒有長輩的庇蔭(非富二代), 那答案是肯定的
天生機會就比別人少了肯定要把握, 難道要在國內窮忙(機率不小)一輩子?
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2. 多少年薪你願意出走?
也是因人(行業)而異, 以我前幾年在大陸的觀察, 保守估計是2倍年薪以上(2~5倍)
服務業偏低, 較高門檻的行業都滿高的
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3. 外流的都是人才嗎?
未必, 主要就靠三個因素 : 能力 or 關係 or 運氣
一樣都是在大陸工作, 有年薪兩百萬人民幣賺到退休的;
也常常看到一年換多次工作頂著台灣人的光環(越來越暗了)招搖撞騙的
(這種人回台灣更慘, 所以當然是在大陸混口飯吃)
btw, 我認為現在去大陸賺錢的CP值越來越低了:
例如今年很多大公司資金不足(拿不到資金)搶著上市換錢, 裁員的也很多
中美貿易戰爭, 人民幣貶值, 國際大廠外移, 接下來應該就是失業問題了
所以現在去大陸風險比以前都高, 還不如培養必要的技能去其他地方發展
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4. 你願意去多久? 是否就直接在當地成家立業? 下一代怎麼辦?
賺到足夠退休的錢回台灣養老? 然後你的孩子長大之後也離鄉背井去工作?
還是直接在當地成家立業or移民? 那家鄉的父母怎麼辦?
還有很多問題都是因人而異, 很難有個最優解...得自己想清楚
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5. 台灣沒有薪資高的工作?
我看到的是台灣科技業薪資高的人還真不少, 關鍵在於是否為稀缺的人才
你的工作是替代性高還是很難找到人代替你?
一樣處於一間公司, 員工的待遇可能相差兩倍以上
所以應該要在職場上做出自己的價值, 建立自己的舞台
(當然這些人如果外流肯定可以賺更多, 此時願不願意出走考慮的就不只是錢了)
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再來我想說說台灣, 要先心理建設一下 : 其實每一個國家都有自己的問題
如果幻想生活在別的地方就從此過著幸福快樂的日子就太不切實際了
一來因為你是台灣人, 這是無法改變的事實;
二來其他國家也沒有真的那麼好;
我認為台灣算是綜合評比起來排在前面的國家了, 各舉三個優缺點
<優點>
a. 生活成本很有彈性 : 不能說物價低(因為這是全球連動的), 但是不同的薪資階級
都能夠在塊土地上生活
(我來自一個很普通甚至有點貧窮的南部家庭, 爸媽也是這樣養大了兩個小孩)
b. 醫療CP值極高
c. 世界上最安全的國家之一
<缺點>
a. 貧富差距大(社會階層不流通) : 資本主義的通病
b. 普遍薪資低 : 同上,主要是因為市場機制(而教育制度造就這種市場,再講下去扯不完)
c. 作秀的政客遠多於做事的政治家 : 因為是自由民主的社會(發展中)
其實最後我也說不出甚麼結論, 誠如各位前面所討論的,大環境如此, 形勢比人強
先培養自己的實力(能力上 or 經濟上的), 行有餘力再來想想能為台灣做些甚麼吧
(其實還是有不少人願意根留台灣的)
附註 : 我就不一一回推文了(畢竟離開台灣科技業後就很少看這各版了)
1. 台灣貧富差距 : 感謝版友用數據指正, 那我把它寫在優點裡面好了 :P
我想強調的是如果大家普遍低薪, 那如此高的房價是怎麼來的? 肯定有人賺很多對吧?
而且統計數據不是萬能, 例如我朋友當建商蓋一戶賣3000萬的豪宅,
但每年繳的稅比我還低, 統計上看不到他每年上億的收入喔~
(其實這邊可以focus在社會階層不流通, 如果貧富差距相對小, 為何如此?)
2. 我去外商是因為待遇更好, 不然還是會留在大陸
記得以前在大陸的時候被一個台灣的前輩酸
他說 : 唉, 現在台灣的年輕人為了多賺一點錢, 不惜自貶國格去對岸工作當台勞....
其實有些人就是酸葡萄心態, 一方面安於現狀或者也沒有機會(or能力or關係)
一方面又羨慕出國工作的高收入, 所以會在那邊酸我是"台勞"
我想說, 一樣都是替人工作, 就別在那裝清高了.
以我的狀況來說, 如果沒有大陸的舞台, 那後來我也很難換到更好的工作.
--
我曾經在大陸待過四年(薪水是台灣的4~5倍, 現在在外商工作)
想分享一下自己的看法(只討論大陸的情況)
先說這是一個全球在搶人才的時代(科技業是比較激烈的戰區),
其實全世界都有這個問題, 看看矽谷的科技公司有多少外來移民就知道
(光我看到的就有 歐洲/台灣/中國(&香港)/韓國/日本/伊朗/印度/埃及...)
----------------------------------------------------------------
1. 以個人而言, 如果國外有更好的機會, 要不要出去?
這答案因人而異, 畢竟離開自己的國家生活算是一個大改變,
如果沒有長輩的庇蔭(非富二代), 那答案是肯定的
天生機會就比別人少了肯定要把握, 難道要在國內窮忙(機率不小)一輩子?
----------------------------------------------------------------
2. 多少年薪你願意出走?
也是因人(行業)而異, 以我前幾年在大陸的觀察, 保守估計是2倍年薪以上(2~5倍)
服務業偏低, 較高門檻的行業都滿高的
----------------------------------------------------------------
3. 外流的都是人才嗎?
未必, 主要就靠三個因素 : 能力 or 關係 or 運氣
一樣都是在大陸工作, 有年薪兩百萬人民幣賺到退休的;
也常常看到一年換多次工作頂著台灣人的光環(越來越暗了)招搖撞騙的
(這種人回台灣更慘, 所以當然是在大陸混口飯吃)
btw, 我認為現在去大陸賺錢的CP值越來越低了:
例如今年很多大公司資金不足(拿不到資金)搶著上市換錢, 裁員的也很多
中美貿易戰爭, 人民幣貶值, 國際大廠外移, 接下來應該就是失業問題了
所以現在去大陸風險比以前都高, 還不如培養必要的技能去其他地方發展
--------------------------------------------------------------
4. 你願意去多久? 是否就直接在當地成家立業? 下一代怎麼辦?
賺到足夠退休的錢回台灣養老? 然後你的孩子長大之後也離鄉背井去工作?
還是直接在當地成家立業or移民? 那家鄉的父母怎麼辦?
還有很多問題都是因人而異, 很難有個最優解...得自己想清楚
--------------------------------------------------------------
5. 台灣沒有薪資高的工作?
我看到的是台灣科技業薪資高的人還真不少, 關鍵在於是否為稀缺的人才
你的工作是替代性高還是很難找到人代替你?
一樣處於一間公司, 員工的待遇可能相差兩倍以上
所以應該要在職場上做出自己的價值, 建立自己的舞台
(當然這些人如果外流肯定可以賺更多, 此時願不願意出走考慮的就不只是錢了)
--------------------------------------------------------------
再來我想說說台灣, 要先心理建設一下 : 其實每一個國家都有自己的問題
如果幻想生活在別的地方就從此過著幸福快樂的日子就太不切實際了
一來因為你是台灣人, 這是無法改變的事實;
二來其他國家也沒有真的那麼好;
我認為台灣算是綜合評比起來排在前面的國家了, 各舉三個優缺點
<優點>
a. 生活成本很有彈性 : 不能說物價低(因為這是全球連動的), 但是不同的薪資階級
都能夠在塊土地上生活
(我來自一個很普通甚至有點貧窮的南部家庭, 爸媽也是這樣養大了兩個小孩)
b. 醫療CP值極高
c. 世界上最安全的國家之一
<缺點>
a. 貧富差距大(社會階層不流通) : 資本主義的通病
b. 普遍薪資低 : 同上,主要是因為市場機制(而教育制度造就這種市場,再講下去扯不完)
c. 作秀的政客遠多於做事的政治家 : 因為是自由民主的社會(發展中)
其實最後我也說不出甚麼結論, 誠如各位前面所討論的,大環境如此, 形勢比人強
先培養自己的實力(能力上 or 經濟上的), 行有餘力再來想想能為台灣做些甚麼吧
(其實還是有不少人願意根留台灣的)
附註 : 我就不一一回推文了(畢竟離開台灣科技業後就很少看這各版了)
1. 台灣貧富差距 : 感謝版友用數據指正, 那我把它寫在優點裡面好了 :P
我想強調的是如果大家普遍低薪, 那如此高的房價是怎麼來的? 肯定有人賺很多對吧?
而且統計數據不是萬能, 例如我朋友當建商蓋一戶賣3000萬的豪宅,
但每年繳的稅比我還低, 統計上看不到他每年上億的收入喔~
(其實這邊可以focus在社會階層不流通, 如果貧富差距相對小, 為何如此?)
2. 我去外商是因為待遇更好, 不然還是會留在大陸
記得以前在大陸的時候被一個台灣的前輩酸
他說 : 唉, 現在台灣的年輕人為了多賺一點錢, 不惜自貶國格去對岸工作當台勞....
其實有些人就是酸葡萄心態, 一方面安於現狀或者也沒有機會(or能力or關係)
一方面又羨慕出國工作的高收入, 所以會在那邊酸我是"台勞"
我想說, 一樣都是替人工作, 就別在那裝清高了.
以我的狀況來說, 如果沒有大陸的舞台, 那後來我也很難換到更好的工作.
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