文法與語氣的關係 - 翻譯

Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2007-01-19T14:28

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If I may, since I can't go straight to bed right after taking
my meds. (having quite a nasty cold)

※ 引述《Nevolia (Nevolia)》之銘言:
: Thank you all for your replies to my thread. I really appreciate^_^
^^^^^^ ^
question it

"thread" in this case refers to 討論串。

: I've tried googling but I still feel confused.
: Maybe I put the wrong keywords.
^^^ ^^^^^^^^
used seach words

"put" is not entirely the right choice of word.

: Like I just said, "sometimes" tense involves not only refering time,
: but also having connotations, say how politely you ask people or
: just ask without any emotion.

[sometiems tense not only concerns with the time of the action
or state expressed by the verb, but also is associated with
the connotation of a particular verbal/written expression]

You are confusing tense (in the grammatical sense) with common
usage. Further, tense by itself does not "have" any connotation.
You need to understand the word before you use it. Otherwise, it'd
be like my classmate saying "slaveray is symptomatic of modernity."

: This is why I brought this question up.
: Of course I know the importance of context, but in some cases (like explame 3)
: there are no context. I suppose there is some logic in a native speaker's
: mind when he/she choose to say that way or this way.

My memory doesn't serve me. Don't remember what ex. 3 was about.
Nevertheless, you are right to say that there is some logical
explantion behind a native speaker's choice of words (whether
that logical explantion would be satisfactory is another question).

Language to an extent determines thought, and vice versa. What
this implies is that, you shouldn't learn a language solely by
studying the rules of that language. Rather, you also need to
think in that language, getting into the mind's eye of the native
speaker.

: For example, you can easily tell from this post that I'm not a native speaker.
: Maybe I'm wrong, just wondering/wonder/wondered..:P

in this case, you would use "wondering".

: Your comments are very enlightening, but I still have a blurred pircture
^^^^^^^
blurry
: You know it because you just know it?

Beats me.
What do you think?
Do you think you know what "吃過飯沒?" means simply
because you just know it?

Hint: the expression "吃過飯沒" can be interpretated in two ways.



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Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2007-01-21T19:10
To me, grammar is simply a tool to facilitate the use
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2007-01-23T05:28
of a language, but in the case of non-native speakers
Una avatar
By Una
at 2007-01-27T18:53
it is somehow tragic to see how the emphasis of
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2007-02-01T06:15
oops, emphasis on
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2007-02-05T12:10
grammar has limited the flexibility of their language
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2007-02-08T10:39
use~~extensive reading is still the key to getting a
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2007-02-13T06:06
grip on a language~~
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2007-02-16T06:08
I would add social/cultural interaction, listening and
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2007-02-16T23:19
speaking. We don't acquire our mother tongue by
Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2007-02-17T15:55
studying grammar. We acquired it through interacting with
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2007-02-21T19:10
people around us who speak the same language. While
extensive reading plays an important role in language
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2007-02-22T18:05
learning, bookish English isn't always pleasant to the
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2007-02-26T12:17
ears.
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2007-02-28T16:50
note that I distinguish between language acquisition
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2007-03-04T22:34
and language learning. It's possible for speakers of
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2007-03-08T19:13
ESL/EFL to acquire English rathern than learning the
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2007-03-11T04:54
language.
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2007-03-11T05:58
I agree with you on the acquisition of languages
through interaction, but you have to admit that in
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2007-03-15T08:41
the case of translation, where the market is largely
focused on paper and pamphlet translation, bookish
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2007-03-15T15:14
English is a relatively more expendable asset than
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2007-03-16T21:21
just good spoken English~~
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2007-03-17T06:08
bookish English指的是講話就跟在背書一樣。就算是書面文
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2007-03-20T20:09
字翻譯,在spoken方面應該也要有一定的程度。英文畢竟不是
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2007-03-23T16:44
拉丁文,而是一直在演變。聽說讀寫是相輔相成,不應該只
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2007-03-25T08:49
注重其一而忽略其他。任何語言都是一樣﹝除了死掉的之外
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2007-03-26T10:06
,其他比較複雜的情況這裡就不提了﹞
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2007-03-30T07:12
然後若是覺得我說的沒頭沒尾,先說聲不好意思,我現在
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2007-03-31T06:29
重感冒,很難過。

文法與語氣的關係

Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2007-01-19T13:01
Thank you all for your replies to my thread. I really appreciate^_^ Iand#39;ve tried googling but I still feel confused. Maybe I put the wrong keywords. Like I just said, and#34;sometimesand#34; tense ...

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Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2007-01-19T11:51
※ 引述《Nevolia (Nevolia)》之銘言: : 我自己and#34;以為and#34; 有時候文法是為了要表達語氣... 語氣,光從字面上看不見得準。 像是『What do ...

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Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2007-01-19T10:41
坦白說 做翻譯一段時間以後,很怕人家就丟一個字、一個片語或一個句子給我 然後問我說:「這怎麼翻?」 我現在的反射動作就是反問:「上下文是�� ...

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Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2007-01-19T09:16
各位翻譯大人好,我一直搞不清楚文法與語氣的關係, 因為這個問題困擾我好久,我想這跟中英語氣表達方式不同有關吧~~ 希望大家能給我指導。 � ...

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Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2007-01-19T03:06
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