兩段很難的翻譯 - 翻譯

非常感謝您的回文和rewrite。完全同意您說的，如果一篇文章從一開始就不是一篇好文

章，可能會造成翻譯上的困難。


它的確是節錄，但因為是考題，篇幅限制，也只能節錄...


我的程度不好，無法判別這篇文章是否寫的不好，只知道真的好文言...您的rewrite的確

是讓文意明顯許多，可是就我的理解，我以為這篇文章大概的意思是說：

在報紙和電視這兩大傳媒中，文化的生產並非中性的，直觀上來說，掌握生產工具

的那一方相較之下擁有較大發言權力(或者說某種程度上的「發散、文化製造的權力」)，

然而以更廣泛的層次而言，應該說是社會、經濟、政治等等階級背景所帶出的利益關係，

造成這個權力不平等的狀況。


我的理解是將第一段拆成：

In the case of newspapers and television programs there has been an

effectively predominant integration of cultural production with:

1.the general conditions of privileged ownership of the means of production

and

2.the consequent (wage-labor) employment of the actual producers.

所以那個predominant integration of cultural production就是有著上述1和2的影響。


但是根據您的rewrite，把1的因素拉成全部，變成掌有生產工具是影響文化生產的唯一因

素，以及循此而來的the implications of these ownership (e.g.,: how it may

affect the wage-labor relationship and the cost structure)(引自lifegetter)。


我不知道自己的理解是不是對的，這篇文章真的好難(抓頭)，希望板上各位高手能繼續指

點^^

※ 引述《lifegetter (萍境)》之銘言：
: 希望不要引起太多爭議… ::pray::
: Part of the translation problems here starts with the English article itself.
: Let me try to rewrite the first paragraph.
: Newspapers and television programs are affected by the ownership of
: the means of their production and the implications of these ownership (e.g.,
: how it may affect the wage-labor relationship and the cost structure).
: Beyond what is visible to the general public, the integration of cultural
: production is often dominated by the ideology of the owners of these means.
: Because this paragraph is only an excerpt, I am sure that i have been 斷章取義,
: but i only want to illustrate that often the English writings we try to
: translate are poorly written in the first place.
: Imho, "direct translation" of these poorly-written articles causes the
: difficulty. Now the question is, should we understand what the
: article tries to say (which will require the translator to also be an expert
: in the field), and "translate" the "contents" only and not the article
: per se? This is where I don't want to start another fight similar to the
: previous one. :)
: On the other hand, I think we may all agree that the Chinese language has
: been irreversably damaged in the last thirty years by these poorly-written
: English articles.
: sorry...i am rushing to be on my way to Taipei so i don't have time to write
: this out in Chinese.
: ※ 引述《undine (on pense)》之銘言：
: : Newspapers and television
: : In the case of newspapers and television programs there has been an
: : effectively predominant integration of cultural production with the general
: : conditions of privileged ownership of the means of production and the
: : consequent (wage-labor) employment of the actual producers.
: : 文化生產在報紙和電視媒體中，已存在著一種強大而優勢的運作方式；藉著握有生產製造
: : 機制及勞資關係的牽制，在整體以及實際製程中，影響著文化成品的產出形貌。
: : Thus, except in certain marginal cases, to practice is to enter these
: : conditions of practice, and certain fundamental kinds of determination,
: : whether (as often) directly economic, or (as again often) political, in the
: : congruence between the forms of privileged ownership and the general forms of
: : the socio-political order, or more generally cultural, in an administered
: : compatibility between the actual production and the dominant interests of the
: : social orders as seen from just these conditions, then undoubtedly operate.
: : 因此，除了一些邊緣案例之外，我們甚至可以這樣說，藉著生產機制的掌握及社會政治的
: : 階序關係，或者，就某種文化上更為廣泛的意義而言，在實際製程及階級利益之間，無論
: : 是經濟上直接地，或者政治上某種權力運作，無庸置疑地宰治了實際的文化產出方式。

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